Feed The Beast Wiki:Staff's Noticeboard

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Older translated pages

I haven't been around long enough to know much about the wiki and it's older system of translation, although there is a bunch of debris left. By debris, I mean the bunch of older translated pages that are not using the translation module. I made a list here.

Anyway, these need to be dealt with. Most of them are old and feature outdated content, and they are in the way of using on the module on pages that have been translated the old way. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Joining the question. I think I should create a bot script to look up all of articles with subpages that aren't marked for translation. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 12:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

My current list should include almost all of them, although I did it manually through using the list of categories. Anything not in a category is missed... -Xbony2 (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Poll on What to Write

Last night, I posted a message on /r/feedthebeast, asking what sorts of things I should write about for the wiki. I got back a very large number of responses. So I'm putting them here now, partly as a to-do list, partly so that I'm not the only guy writing, and partly to keep all of us on the same page.

Mods:

• Thaumcraft 4
• RFTools
• Draconic Evolution
• Witchery
• Anything in Agrarian Skies 2
• Blood Magic
  • Blood Altar and construction Reverse-Construction guide written
  • Rituals
• Reika's Mods
  • ReactorCraft
• BuildCraft
• Steve's Factory Manager
• Thermal Expansion Family (Thermal Expansion, Foundation, and Dynamics) Thermal Dynamics done, but needs retep998 to upload the tilesheet
• Factorization
• GregTech 5 Pipes and Covers

Getting Started pages:

• Ender IO
• Draconic Evolution
• Mekanism
• Big Reactors
• Logistics Pipes

Guide pages:

• Mystcraft
• Forestry (Isn't someone working on these?)
• ChromatiCraft

Miscellaneous:

• Designs for how to make more efficient systems / builds / factories
• Data, calculations, and ratios, especially for Botania

The two most voted-for items were Thaumcraft 4 and Blood Magic, so those are probably where most of our work should go first. - PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Any of Jaded's packs, like Agrarian Skies 2, are actually being covered by her own wiki [1]. That said if the pack is publicly listed in the FTB launcher it can still also be documented here. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 03:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I can help with the Forestry Guide, and I guess Buildcraft and Factorisation, although the BC stuff is horribly outdated which makes life annoying. With everything else I have only played Logi pipes on 1.2.5 and a little on 1.4.7 so I can't help especially.

I was a little surprised there was no new IC2/GT6 stuff, but it is /r/feedthebeast, which isn't typically fans of either. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 15:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Yo PaladinOne: I'll be making the PA and TD tilesheets once vacation is over (I have my laptop with me, but it's old and can't use Java 7-8, so I imagine Rust will not work). Unless of course Retep beats me to it (and unless XyCraft is released for 1.7) -Xbony2 (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Done. May be broken though, I haven't looked yet :P -Xbony2 (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Small Tilesheet guide

Hello ! Can any of you write a few words about how to win the graphics for tilesheets please ?! The know the structure, the sizes (32px, 16px) and the construction of tilesheets. But I wonder where you have the graphics ago. I have try it with screenshots and the textures from the package, but somehow it looks not so like your tilesheets. I use Gimp as graphic program. --LuminousLizard _{de-native / "en-B2"} (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The way we typically do it nowadays is using the NEI mod. To get the tiles you simply filter the NEI panel to show the items from the mod by double clicking the modname in the top dropdown box; and then you goto the NEI settings button down the bottom right, then goto "Dumps" and then output the images as a 64x .png. From there retep's tilesheet program automatically downscales the images to 16x and 32x for uploading. -- Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 22:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ! I will try it in the next days. --LuminousLizard _{de-native / "en-B2"} (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Works perfect with NEI :) ! Thanks to Wolfman_123_ for the manual, and Retep for the incorporation into the Image uploading guideline. --LuminousLizard _{de-native / "en-B2"} (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Longer version of a guide. -PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Moving wiki-specific pages from mainspace

Specifically Sandbox and FTB Wiki Staff, if not more. The main namespace is for articles about FTB; wiki-specific pages should be stated separately, in Feed The Beast Wiki namespace. I don't know why are they misplaced.

For the staff page specifically, we have to make a new name to be used after the colon, the namespace name separator. I would go for "Wiki Staff", or just "Staff", so the whole name would be like "Feed The Beast Wiki:Wiki Staff".

Of course, we should keep the redirects.

— NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 12:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I think FTB Wiki Staff is ok, but Sandbox definitely should be moved. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

No it's not. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 06:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I consider it to be a main page of sorts, like the actual main page. The way I see it, it's sort of a credits page (although that isn't entirely accurate, there are many non-staff contributors). -Xbony2 (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

This is a wiki about FTB, not about itself. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 13:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, Nick. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 13:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

We need more users... to support and to oppose. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 14:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

General MediaWiki guidelines specify both of these should really be in project namespace, I will probably patrol through a bunch of other common titles that will go into the project NS, and deal with when and where applicable. Either way, this is common practice and in my opinion, shouldn't really need a discussion. Cblair91 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

So? — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 11:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

2nd archive

Our noticeboard archive is getting way too cluttered. I propose we create a second one. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I propose we archive the archive. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 00:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I propose archiving by year. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 19:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Only if you're unlazy enough to cut it into different pieces :P -Xbony2 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I propose by getting on a knee, offering a ring, and asking to marry, as well as by agreeing with Retep. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 01:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I quite like the idea of archiving the archive like so: Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/Archive/Archive :P

But in all seriousness retep's suggestion is probably the best to sort it out by year which shouldn't be particularly hard assuming all posts are signed --Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 07:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I support the idea of yearly or even half-yearly archivation, although if there are not much topics it may be better to archive topics of multiple years (or halves). And, really, we need to sort the archive from oldest to newest. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 14:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

What do we do about discussions that take place over multiple years, eg starting in december and ending in january? Do we use the start year or the end year? -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Both :P Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 16:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I say just the start. -Xbony2 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Archived things will be sorted by the date the discussion began. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 01:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Auto-generated {{Mods}} List

See Template talk:Mods. I'm not sure what we would do about translating mod names... maybe it could automatically grab the mod article's title? That could work. -Xbony2 (talk) 13:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Using magical powers to summon Retep998 and TheSatanicSanta ... I bet you've seen this already, but neither of you have responded to it. And you guys are the only ones who can edit the main page anyway (going to bother Chocohead too cause why not). -Xbony2 (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I've already seen this. I'll look into it soon. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 22:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea how to do this. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 23:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Choco does :P

-Xbony2 (talk) 23:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I added part of the language functionality. Below is a run for German.

(see also)

The title part needs to be worked on though :P

-Xbony2 (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:Gc changes?

Following changes are being done by the bot, and should be seen as "common practice":

• |dis=false is now removed, never use dis.
• |link=false is now |link=none.
• |2= with a blank param, or |2=1 should be removed.

Will probably make some other changes along the line as well, to help make everything standardized :D Cblair91 (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

|2=1 should also be deleted, if you haven't done that. Btw, you forgot to update the issue number :P -Xbony2 (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

We're not Minecraft Wiki-ing putting redirects left, right and centre right? Because that's a shit method instead of doing it properly with link. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 17:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Well something I thought that may seem to be better is, all items be page named as "Item (Mod)", rather than "Item" page... That way, the main "Item" page can be a redirect/disambig as required? Though getting other staff's views may be better for that. Also on a note for Choco: It's better to have redirects than to /not/ have redirects. ^_^ There's not an issue with HAVING a redirect, even if it's never used, rather than NOT having a redirect, and it wanting to be used. Cblair91 (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Making redirects back to a disambig page though? I deleted 12 of those, and that was just the IC2 ones I noticed.

Yup, that was a mess-up xD But hence why I brought to question, wouldn't it be better to use "Item (Mod)" page naming, that way it'll work out cleaner for redirects (and mean a lot less?), and for disambiguation pages :D Cblair91 (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I've played with that idea before, but it would take a long time to change everything, even with bots. -Xbony2 (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

You're ignoring the fact suddenly everything needing a redirect is inverted and pretty much every page is broken. You'd pulverise the wiki for days (at least) with the amount of bot activity needed to fix everything. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 21:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay Choco, imagine we do change over to "Item (Mod)"... My bot can rename the pages, my bot can fix up all links on other pages, it can make the process completely smooth. Sure, it'll take around 2 days to run through the 7k+ content pages, but surely it'd be better to have a proper standard? Something structured, which we don't have to do little fixes here and there in the modules/template to accommodate. Would you not say that is better? The cases where it would go through, I can program the bot to be so efficient and effective that it would make all the transition work, not break, and on top of that, not "derp up the wiki". Cblair91 (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I think I'd prefer if everything was "Item (Mod)" and then then "Item" was either a redirect or a disambig. Of course care would need to be taken with regards to moving translated pages. If your bot tries to move a translated page and screws it up, there will be hell to pay. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 06:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That's about the only exception, it can't handle moving translation pages via API. So they'll have to be done manually :P BUT means we can fix the translation markups on a LOT of pages before we move them :D Cblair91 (talk) 07:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Xbony2, are you okay with moving all the translated pages yourself? 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 09:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll be assisting him with all the translation page moving, and probably overseeing the project, making sure it runs smooth etc. So will be doing a bulk of work myself :) Cblair91 (talk) 11:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

But a perm ban if you don't use a bot account to do it ok? Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 18:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Any bulk changes will be VIA bot, but some stuff where I'm fixing pages while I'm going won't be bot accounted (e.g. when I'm cleaning up the G template on the page before moving) Cblair91 (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

This will also require a brief re-examination of {{NI}} and {{NID}}. As disambiguation would be the new default, for sanity {{NI}} would need to be modified to default to disambiguated links (and thus {{NID}} would become obsolete). -PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 07:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Votes

Votes regarding the overhaul of {{G}} to {{Gc}}, and of the page naming standards to "Item (Mod)".

There must be at least 5 accepting votes for this to pass (as majority based vote from staff)

• Support. Yup Cblair91 (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. - This is xbony and Cblair point waring. On a less stop spamming the recent changes point, the current system is fine and makes linking much more obvious than every normal item page being a disambig page to the one mod that has that item. Everything is wired to use it and will inevitably go wrong, causing the entire wiki to be broken for weeks (if not months) as bugs are discovered, and there has been little planning past "oh sure we'll do it", despite the great risk of crashing everything when you press the wrong button. Also, Retep will do silly things he'd most likely regret after you guys fuck up an already overworked FuzzyBot and splatter translated pages everywhere. Silly things like this. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 20:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • • That thing with the sex toys was totally an accident, I swear. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 23:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Those sex toys must be in the yuppie parts of Portland. I haven't seen one in any neighborhood near my apt. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 21:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Fuzzybot will talked to with devs, to make sure that it has a higher time rating (aka moves more pages per hour than normal). Also regarding the changes, we're not planning on doing it "right this moment", yes it will require planning, that will be discussed at the staff meeting. All the systems will be fixed to support both while under transition, and then changed to support the new system when done. Cblair91 (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Note 2: If there is only one item with the item name, that page would be a REDIRECT to the "Item (Mod)" page, where in cases a second one comes, it's easy swap to a disambig, no page moving needed, no link updating needed. That's the point, before it would link to said page, but when that becomes a disambig, EVERY link to that page, then needs to update to the "Item (Mod)" page anyway? So surely doing this by default, would mean we DON'T have to update every link occurrence? Cblair91 (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Sorry about the Recent Changes, but it's not really not that bad. Some/many things may be broken and will take a while to repair, but I do believe it will be worth it in the end. FuzzyBot will very likely be fine, the week-long translation period he did before seems to be over, he finished updating {{Staff}} in about 10-20 minutes which is pretty damn good. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
• Neutral. I don't want to push forward with this yet. I'd prefer to hold off until I feel more ready. To clarify, I am in favor of using Item (Mod) for all pages and having Item be either a redirect or disambig, however I am not comfortable with doing those mass edits at the moment. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 23:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • What do you mean by that? -Xbony2 (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I wanna write a cool program to gather various statistics on the overall network of pages and links including redirects and such, in Rust of course. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 23:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
      • Rust scrub :P Don't stall it though, mkay? You aren't really known for getting things done :P -Xbony2 (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per Chocohead. I don't see the point of this mostly unneeded and dangerous operation. Or I might not be that familiar with this system... — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 06:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Lets put it this way: Item released, we make page "Item", create all Gc templates to it. Another item released with same name. We move the original "Item" page over to "Item (Mod)", same with the new item. We have to go back and update all Gc occurrences to the new page, rather than the disambig. New system: That's already in place, we don't have to update ANY Gc occurrences. Cblair91 (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Can we just update Gc's with bots instead? We have 7 bots that can work concurrently. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 05:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
      • Part of Gc has already been edited with bots (the removal of the 'dis' parameter and 'link=false' to 'link=none'). Fixing G is a bit more difficult for bots to automate though, since it needs to come up with a mod parameter to convert it into Gc (very few G uses have supplied mod parameters). -Xbony2 (talk) 11:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
        • why has dis been removed? Thats utterly stupid since many, many pages depend heavily on that parameter. Unless someone took yhe time to run a bot to fix all used of it (i don't remember this happening), there are now probably millions of redlinks all over the wiki. This should not have been done without discussing it with the rest of the staff first, and taking the proper procedures before changing it. You cant just willy nilly remove parameters and templates because you personally want a specific change done to how we do things. (Not specifically directed at you xbony btw) -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 18:24, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Meet the million relink bot: http://ftb.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cblair91Bot&offset=20150714014839&limit=250&target=Cblair91Bot

Each one of those changes removes dis without replacing it with link. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 20:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Jesus fucking Christ. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 00:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I count about 1500 page removals, which bearing in mind a crafting grid could have up to 10 in... There will be a very high potential for over 10,000 broken Gc links at this point. It's like G? but 10x worse if we don't revert them immediately and patch the differences for pages that have changed since it. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 01:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I could easily write a script for my bot to go through all those edits and roll them back. However, it would not be able to handle pages that have changed since the bot did its shit. That would need to be checked and done manually. Should I do this, for the time being while this whole situation is dealt with properly? -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 08:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I say yes. The longer we leave it the more pages are modified and will have to be fixed manually. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 09:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I have done it, though it failed on quite a few. See the Wiki Talk forum for the list of pages it failed on. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 21:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I put the list below this so the pages can be crossed off/removed when they're done. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 22:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. Chocohead pretty much covered it. My main issue with it is its pointlessness. I'm also leaning towards Neutral for the same reason as Peter, but I still oppose. Idk I'm stoned. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 08:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Neutral. From a structural standpoint, this actually makes sense. As the number of pages, mods, and items covered increases, we're going to be crashing into more and more disambiguation issues. This being said, it is really annoying that disambiguated page [[links]] are twice as long as normal page links. To that end I propose a new mini-template (that I was probably going to make one of these days anyway) that accepts a page link and a mod name/mod ID and places a disambiguated page link that is both shorter to code and easier to read when editing, compared with the standard [[link (disambig)|link]].
  Will this be annoying to go through with? Probably. In lots of places and ways. But as Nick points out, probably without fully knowing what he is invoking but also probably correctly, we have the power of automation. Mass automation. We can rebuild the {{Gc}}s, we have the technology. The thing is though, as Chocohead points out, we need to do a little more than simply say "do it". If we attack this the way we attacked G? six months ago, it would go much better than if we attack it the way we have attacked the list of suggestions I collected from /r/feedthebeast 3 months ago.
  Also if nothing else this might be a way of making Peter do something. (If we get too held up on that though... someone may decide to invoke {{WP:BOLD}}.) -PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 07:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Vote changed from Support to Neutral following the overly BOLD removal of the dis= parameter. That parameter is removable, but it is NOT safe to delete from the entire wiki until AFTER the entire re-linking has been completed. Removal of dis= should be literally the second-to-last step of this process, because even while dis=false is present, the {{Gc}}s would link to non-disambiguated pages, which is at least a pointer in the right direction (and, if the original "leave redirects behind" plan was kept, would be still leaving good functional links). As it is, deleting dis= first creates a pointless linking disaster. -PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 02:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
• Neutral. I have to admit that I'm seriously out of the loop on this issue due to a lot of things like final exams period and holidays. I'm not quite sure what recent changes drama has gone on; so would someone be able to briefly describe the problem (assuming there is one with the current system) and what your actually proposing to do. --Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 01:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

There's no problem, just Cblair and xbony want more wiki points. Cblair also took it upon herself to break Gc by removing dis without fixing the links with link. They want to change it so every page has "Name (Mod)" but have totally overlooked everything that doesn't expect that to happen and was never designed for it (the bee and tree stuff for example, but pretty much every template would be affected). Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 01:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

^ Oh, and regarding the Recent Changes stuff, xbony and Cblair like using their normal accounts as bots, hence the masses of spam.

Speaking of which. Both of you need to knock it off. Seriously. You have bots for a reason. Use them. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 08:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. Okay I agree that removing dis is a very, very bad idea. Like you said a large portion of pages and templates are built around it due to the simple fact that the " (Mod)" formatting is not ideal for every page we maintain on this wiki. As for point whoring I can't really comment on the issue as I haven't been around, however I do agree that the amount of spam in recent changes is beyond ridiculous. Listen to Santa and use your bots, that's the why we all have them ffs. --Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 03:08, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Pages still requiring fixing

Cross them off/remove them when you do them so we have an idea what is still left. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 22:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Getting Started (GregTech)/en
Translations:Getting Started (GregTech)/22/en
Module:Infobox/thing/en-gb
Translations:Module:Infobox/thing/15/en-gb
Bricked Steel Hull/ru
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/4/ru
Bricked Steel Hull/ru
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/1/ru
Module:Infobox/thing/de
Translations:Module:Infobox/thing/15/de
Translations:Module:Infobox/thing/15/en
Module:Infobox/thing/en
Bricked Steel Hull/de
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/4/de
Bricked Steel Hull/de
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/1/de
Bricked Steel Hull/en
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/1/en
Bricked Steel Hull/en
Translations:Bricked Steel Hull/4/en
Getting Started (GregTech)/en
Translations:Getting Started (GregTech)/16/en
Getting Started (GregTech)/en
Translations:Getting Started (GregTech)/18/en
Getting Started (GregTech)/en
Translations:Getting Started (GregTech)/6/en
Getting Started (GregTech)/en
Translations:Getting Started (GregTech)/8/en
Sandstone Transport Pipe/nl
Wooden Transport Pipe/nl
Hydrator/nl
Farmer/nl
Lilypad of Fertility/nl
Crop Nether Wart/nl
Blue Pigment/nl
User:Xbony2/backups/Portable Tank/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Combustion Engine/pt-br
Liquiduct/de
User:NickTheRed37/Old-Style Translations/Resonant Ender/de
User:NickTheRed37/Old-Style Translations/Energized Glowstone/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Destabilized Redstone/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Stirling Engine/pt-br
User:Xbony2/backups/Stirling Engine/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Multimeter/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Spot Loader/de
User:Xbony2/backups/Forge Lexicon/de
User:Xbony2/backups/OmniWrench/de
User:Xbony2/backups/EnderPouch/es
User:Xbony2/backups/EnderChest/es
Bridge Builder/zh
Brake Handle/zh
Green Pigment/zh
Red Pigment/zh
Blue Pigment/zh
Basic Solar Engine/zh
Basic Drill/zh
Advanced Solar Panel (Steve's Carts)/zh
Advanced Shooter/zh
Advanced Detector Rail/zh
Advanced Control System/zh
Wheel/fr
Cart Assembler/fr
Glass O'Magic/zh
Advanced PCB (Steve's Carts)/zh
Fuse/zh
Sandstone Transport Pipe/fr
Iron to Gold Chest Upgrade/fr
User:Xbony2/backups/Iron Chest/es
User:Xbony2/backups/Chute/es
User:Xbony2/backups/Wrench (BuildCraft)/fr
Firework Display
User:Xbony2/backups/Copper Chest/es
User:Xbony2/backups/Combustion Engine/es
User:Xbony2/backups/Stirling Engine/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Chute/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Iron Chest/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Copper Chest/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Wrench (BuildCraft)/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Combustion Engine/ru
User:Xbony2/backups/Combustion Engine/it
User:Xbony2/backups/Combustion Engine/de
Golden Chest/nl
Invar Gear/de
Simple PCB/zh
Graphical Interface/zh
Flux Plate Mold
Bow Mold
Sickle Mold
Boots Mold
Leggings Mold
Chestplate Mold
Helmet Mold
Hoe Mold
Shovel Mold
Sword Mold
Axe Mold
Pickaxe Mold
Stairs Mold
Slab Mold
Block Mold
Ingot Mold (Foundry)
Blank Soft Mold
Refractory Hopper
Material Router
Alloy Furnace (Foundry)
Refractory Fluid Container
Metal Infuser
Alloy Mixer
Refractory Casing
Refractory Brick
Refractory Clay
Heating Coil
Metal Caster
Induction Crucible Furnace
Machine Chassis
Blank Module
Item Output
Mixed Sand
Mixed Dirt
Hemp Seed Oil
Hemp
Hemp Seeds
Steamed Imphide
Steam Tank (GregTech 4)
Automatic Recycler
Automatic Canning Machine
Automatic Compressor
Automatic Extractor
Automatic E-Furnace
Destructopack
Redstone Wand
Energy Input
Fluid Input
Item Input
Fluidic Nether Portal
Flux Pipe
Fluid Pipe (Engineer's Toolbox)
Spray Paint
Solar Panel (Engineer's Toolbox)
Electronic Circuit (Engineer's Toolbox)
Power Management Device
Engineer's Wrench
Modular Socket
Electric Heat Generator
Charging Lapotron Crystal
Charging Energy Crystal
Advanced Charging Battery
Charging RE Battery
Solid Heat Generator
Advanced Miner
Tritter Boots Tier II
Tritter Leggings Tier II
Tritter Chestplate Tier II
Tritter Helmet Tier II
Tritter Boots
Tritter Leggings
Tritter Chestplate
Tritter Helmet
Vrutri Boots Tier II
Vrutri Leggings Tier II
Vrutri Chestplate Tier II
Vrutri Helmet Tier II
Vrutri Boots
Vrutri Leggings
Vrutri Chestplate
Vrutri Helmet
Olite Boots Tier II
Olite Leggings Tier II
Olite Chestplate Tier II
Olite Helmet Tier II
Olite Boots
Olite Leggings
Olite Chestplate
Olite Helmet
Redur Boots Tier II
Redur Leggings Tier II
Redur Chestplate Tier II
Redur Helmet Tier II
Redur Boots
Redur Leggings
Redur Chestplate
Redur Helmet
Frevinite Boots Tier II
Frevinite Leggings Tier II
Frevinite Chestplate Tier II
Frevinite Helmet Tier II
Frevinite Boots
Frevinite Leggings
Frevinite Chestplate
Frevinite Helmet
Trivu Boots Tier II
Trivu Leggings Tier II
Trivu Chestplate Tier II
Trivu Helmet Tier II
Trivu Boots
Trivu Leggings
Trivu Chestplate
Trivu Helmet
Unix Boots Tier II
Unix Leggings Tier II
Unix Chestplate Tier II
Unix Helmet Tier II
Unix Boots
Unix Leggings
Unix Chestplate
Unix Helmet
Frav Boots Tier II
Frav Leggings Tier II
Frav Chestplate Tier II
Frav Helmet Tier II
Frav Boots
Frav Leggings
Frav Chestplate
Frav Helmet
Slippery Blocks
Stone Dust
Porcelain Clay
Silk Mesh
Windmeter
Fertilizer (IndustrialCraft 2)
Energypack
Advanced Batpack
Ermyst Chestplate Tier II
Trivu Stick
Redtri Horse Armor
Brunim Horse Armor
Tritter Horse Armor
Shadow Horse Armor
Vrutri Horse Armor
Olite Horse Armor
Redur Horse Armor
Frevinite Horse Armor
Trivu Horse Armor
Unix Horse Armor
Frav Horse Armor
Oni Horse Armor
Ermyst Horse Armor
Redtri Pickaxe Tier II
Redtri Shovel
Redtri Axe
Redtri Sword
Energy Flow Circuit (GregTech 4)
Data Control Circuit (GregTech 4)
Ermyst Helmet Tier II
Ermyst Boots
Ermyst Leggings
Ermyst Chestplate
Ermyst Helmet
Clockwork Mechanism
Brass Pocket-Watch
Insulated Copper Wire
Advanced Circuit Parts (GregTech 4)
Copper Wire
User:ESAEBSAD/Sandbox2
Tungsten
Enderium
Small Coal Boiler (GregTech 4)
Meteor Shield
Kreknorite Ingot
Kreknorite Block
Frozen Iron Block
Drak Stone
Sandy Coal Compound (Project Red)
Sky Stone (The Mists of RioV)
Redtri Pickaxe
Healing Axe
Block of Red Meteor Gem
Meteorite Block
Meteorite Ingot
Meteorite Hoe
Meteorite Spade
Meteorite Pickaxe
Meteorite Axe
Meteorite Sword
Anvil (The Mists of RioV)
Encyclopedia Aura
Brunim Shovel Tier II
Brunim Axe Tier II
Brunim Sword Tier II
Brunim Pickaxe Tier II
Brunim Shovel
Brunim Axe
Brunim Sword
Brunim Pickaxe
Enhancer
Ermyst Shovel Tier II
Ermyst Axe Tier II
Ermyst Shovel
Ermyst Axe
Small Power Unit
Iridium Drill
Gold
Ermyst Sword Tier II
Ermyst Sword
Redstone Inlay
Extra Trees Fluids
Ermyst Pickaxe Tier II
Ermyst Pickaxe
Sky Planks
Cer Planks
Trivu Block
Dark Matter Axe
Dark Matter Shovel
Dark Matter Hammer
Dark Matter Pickaxe
Dark Matter Sword
Ermyst Block
Shadow Block
Relay MK2
Tin Cable
Twisting Band
Steam Heater
User:Xbony2
Basic Wood Cutter
Miner
Advanced Lappack
Advanced Chainsaw
Solar Panel (IndustrialCraft 2)
Steel
Plasma Generator
Storage Block
Storage Segment
Storage Cell
Gold Cable
IDSU
Advanced NanoChestPlate
Magic Energy Absorber
Dragon Egg Energy Siphon
Thermal Generator
Semifluid Generator
Lightning Rod
Fusion Coil
Generator (IndustrialCraft 2)
Nuke
Red Alloy Ingot (RedPower 2)
RE-Battery
Aluminum
Lead
Iron Furnace
Mining Well
Combustion Engine
Transformer (Immersive Engineering)

Category overhaul

Everything related to categories is terrible. To start, we have changed the policy to allow for multiple categories per page. To make this more useful, we will be creating more descriptive categories. The following list of new categories will be updated as we add more:

• Machines that use solid fuels
• Performance optimization
• Sleeping
• Machine upgrades
• Machines that use liquid fuels
• Machines that use player-based energy
• Creature Farming
• Machines that use the sun
• Machines that use lightning
• Machines that use entity-based energy

We are also going to be renaming some categories and reevaluating their usefulness. The following categories need to be renamed and/or reevaluated:

• Base
• Resource Page
• Transformation
• Other
• Converters
• Portable
• Sorting
• Pipes
• Tubes
• Conduit
• Modules
• Attributes
• Redpower

The following categories have been replaced:

• Documentation has been replaced with In-Game Documentation
• Electric has been replaced with Powered tools

This project is more clearly documented on my sandbox page.

Please discuss stuff. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 22:14, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay so I have a few ideas with some of those; namely pipes, conduits and tubes etc..

My suggestion is to use categories that are bit more inclusive such as Fluid Transportation, Item Transportation, Energy Transportation which could each respectively classify things like BC pipes, IC2 Cable and Fluiducts. Another group of categories to assist this could be Item Storage, Fluid Storage, and Energy Storage which would classify items such as IC2 Batteries as well as BC Tanks

These could then also be supplemented (only for the energy ones) by the specifics such as RF Power or EU Power.

To recap how this would look

• A BC Wooden pipe would be categorized as (BuildCraft)-(Item Transportation)
• An IC2 Cable would be (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Transportation)-(EU Power)
• A TE Energy Cell would be (Thermal Expansion)-(Energy Storage)-(RF Power)
• An OpenBlocks Tank would be (OpenBlocks)-(Fluid Storage)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Small continuation after looking through some more categories; I believe Modules is perfectly fine as it's simply just Steve's Carts modules which would be categorized as (Steve's Carts)-(Modules)

I also believe Attributes is fine however it may need a renaming to Genomes or something like that (I think this is the word Forestry uses to describe them, but please don't quote me on that)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Last one I hope...

Can someone please explain what the hell Base is supposed to be as I don't really see much of a link between all of the content.

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I think Base is being used for machines that would be part of a large-scale industrial base? I'm not entirely sure though, there's one or two outliers in that.

Maybe it's for for pages that act as the base point for some form of industrialization, and are built on from there? Like 'components' but larger scale?

You're right though, there is not a lot of consistency across that category. PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh god then I realized that Forge and FML were in Base... What the hell was this category even?? PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Base is one of those categories that you just wonder what the hell went wrong. Really, it should either just have base mods like Forge and FML in, or they should go in Base Mod and I guess Base deleted. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 19:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what to do about Forge and FML, but I have an idea for all the generators in that category sticking with the theme above.

* (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Producer)-(EU Power)

* (Thermal Expansion)-(Energy Producer)-(RF Power)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 23:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Base was for energy generators. The problem with Modules is it's too broad. It could mean SC modules, modules of mods, etc. Same goes for Attributes. I agree with your transportation stuff. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 02:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you continuing on doing this? — NickTheRed37 ᐸ t · ru.MCW user
c · ru translator 13:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've been busy with other stuff, but it will be completed at some point. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 19:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I may later think of an image of what I want to have as a category tree. — NickTheRed37 ᐸ t · ru.MCW user
c · ru translator 06:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

For those interested, I have been working on the categorization stuff. I moved Energy Transport -> Energy Transportation. -Xbony2 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

So, uh, what is a consumer called? Like, Macerator (IndustrialCraft 2) or Induction Smelter. I'd propose something like:

• Macerator (IndustrialCraft 2): (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Consumer)-(EU Power)-(Crushing) (btw, should we do anything about the Crushing category, or not?)
• Induction Smelter: (Thermal Expansion 3)-(Energy Consumer)-(RF Power)-(Smelting)
• Remote Thermal Monitor: (IC2 Nuclear Control)-(Energy Consumer)-(EU Power)-(Nuclear) (nuclear may need to be re-evalulated too)

-Xbony2 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Why did you put Miner in Cables? :P Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 22:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't do it! :P I'm not even listed in the history of the page. -Xbony2 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

So you just edited Cables... Alistaire14820 added Miner to it years ago. :| Our categories are so screwed up. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 23:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

btw, can you look over Energy Units? Thanks. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

since nobody loves me, I'm going ahead with my proposition :P -Xbony2 (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I have created a utility that can help us along with phase 1 of the Category Overhaul greatly. It requires Ruby, and the mediawiki_api gem created by wikimedia (be sure to use 0.3.1 as the newer versions are broken). You can find it in the SatanicBot repo. You will need to create your own secure.txt file with the formatting "USERNAME \newline PASSWORD". Alternatively you can just edit your clone of generalutils to use your username and password. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 23:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Mass-edit bot policy

Due to things, Retep998 and I have decided that we need a hard rule for when to use a bot. A bot policy, for those of you that like names. I looked in our existing policies, and despite my memory, it seems we do not have one yet. As shown by disagreements about when you are performing too many (nearly) identical edits as a human account on Xbony's talk page, some editors consider "too many" to be a lot larger than others. This disrupts editing and reviewing and takes time away from our staff. Peter and I have discussed briefly on IRC about this, and have decided that 20 would be a good number of (nearly) identical edits to start the discussion at. There will be no vote; the administrators will simply take your input and make an executive decision based on that. Please discuss. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 23:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Just commenting to mention that I am supporting this policy. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 23:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

25-35 would be more appropriate. 20 is barely the size of my palm against my monitor. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 00:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Anything more than 25 is too much IMO, the default recent changes settings shouldn't have to be increased purely because someone doesn't care spamming them with the same thing. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 12:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn’t saw the IRC discussion (probably because my ZNC disconnected), but I agree with everyone else. Something between 20 and 30 is possibly enough for the line. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • ^{FTB Wiki Translator} 17:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)