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Bee and Tree Note

Any bees in Extra Bees or Magic Bees must be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to a bug in NEI, and not me. Combs added by either mod should still reference their respective mod's tilesheet however.

Tree Saplings added by Extra Trees also need to be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to the same bug. The wood planks and other products (like fences or doors) however should still use the Extra Trees tilesheet.

Bug me if you have any questions. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 01:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Why don't you just separate them manually? -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 02:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Later, this was only meant to be a temporary solution until I know an update to the tilesheets would come quickly after me doing it. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 02:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Looking at this further, many of the tree/bee templates need all the bees/saplings in one place, otherwise there'd be a massive and horribly complicated mess trying to work out which tilesheet to call the sapling from. Just having everything on F makes life much much easier. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 16:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Just an update. It's not an nei issue/bug. Extra Bees and Magic Bees hook into Forestry's API, and add the bee's VIA that mod. It's the only way to handle the injecting of bees for forestry to allow them to work (for machines/breeding logic etc.). As such, when rendered, they're processed as being "added" by Forestry (since Forestry handles the ASM magical powder stuff), thus appears under that mod =] Cblair91 (talk) 05:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Good, then I'll not bother trying to separate them. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 15:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Category overhaul

Everything related to categories is terrible. To start, we have changed the policy to allow for multiple categories per page. To make this more useful, we will be creating more descriptive categories. The following list of new categories will be updated as we add more:

• Machines that use solid fuels
• Performance optimization

We are also going to be renaming some categories and reevaluating their usefulness. The following categories need to be renamed and/or reevaluated:

• Base
• Resource Page
• Transformation
• Other
• Converters
• Portable
• Sorting
• Pipes
• Tubes
• Conduit
• Modules
• Electric
• Attributes
• Redpower
• Documentation

Please discuss stuff. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 22:14, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay so I have a few ideas with some of those; namely pipes, conduits and tubes etc..

My suggestion is to use categories that are bit more inclusive such as Fluid Transportation, Item Transportation, Energy Transportation which could each respectively classify things like BC pipes, IC2 Cable and Fluiducts. Another group of categories to assist this could be Item Storage, Fluid Storage, and Energy Storage which would classify items such as IC2 Batteries as well as BC Tanks

These could then also be supplemented (only for the energy ones) by the specifics such as RF Power or EU Power.

To recap how this would look

• A BC Wooden pipe would be categorized as (BuildCraft)-(Item Transportation)
• An IC2 Cable would be (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Transportation)-(EU Power)
• A TE Energy Cell would be (Thermal Expansion)-(Energy Storage)-(RF Power)
• An OpenBlocks Tank would be (OpenBlocks)-(Fluid Storage)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Small continuation after looking through some more categories; I believe Modules is perfectly fine as it's simply just Steve's Carts modules which would be categorized as (Steve's Carts)-(Modules)

I also believe Attributes is fine however it may need a renaming to Genomes or something like that (I think this is the word Forestry uses to describe them, but please don't quote me on that)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Last one I hope...

Can someone please explain what the hell Base is supposed to be as I don't really see much of a link between all of the content.

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 04:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I think Base is being used for machines that would be part of a large-scale industrial base? I'm not entirely sure though, there's one or two outliers in that.

Maybe it's for for pages that act as the base point for some form of industrialization, and are built on from there? Like 'components' but larger scale?

You're right though, there is not a lot of consistency across that category. PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh god then I realized that Forge and FML were in Base... What the hell was this category even?? PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Base is one of those categories that you just wonder what the hell went wrong. Really, it should either just have base mods like Forge and FML in, or they should go in Base Mod and I guess Base deleted. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 19:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what to do about Forge and FML, but I have an idea for all the generators in that category sticking with the theme above.

* (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Producer)-(EU Power)

* (Thermal Expansion)-(Energy Producer)-(RF Power)

Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 23:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Base was for energy generators. The problem with Modules is it's too broad. It could mean SC modules, modules of mods, etc. Same goes for Attributes. I agree with your transportation stuff. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 02:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you continuing on doing this? — NickTheRed37 ᐸ t · ru.MCW user
c · ru translator 13:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've been busy with other stuff, but it will be completed at some point. -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 19:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I may later think of an image of what I want to have as a category tree. — NickTheRed37 ᐸ t · ru.MCW user
c · ru translator 06:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

For those interested, I have been working on the categorization stuff. I moved Energy Transport -> Energy Transportation. -Xbony2 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

So, uh, what is a consumer called? Like, Macerator (IndustrialCraft 2) or Induction Smelter. I'd propose something like:

• Macerator (IndustrialCraft 2): (IndustrialCraft 2)-(Energy Consumer)-(EU Power)-(Crushing) (btw, should we do anything about the Crushing category, or not?)
• Induction Smelter: (Thermal Expansion 3)-(Energy Consumer)-(RF Power)-(Smelting)
• Remote Thermal Monitor: (IC2 Nuclear Control)-(Energy Consumer)-(EU Power)-(Nuclear) (nuclear may need to be re-evalulated too)

-Xbony2 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Why did you put Miner in Cables? :P Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 22:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't do it! :P I'm not even listed in the history of the page. -Xbony2 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

So you just edited Cables... Alistaire14820 added Miner to it years ago. :| Our categories are so screwed up. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 23:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

btw, can you look over Energy Units? Thanks. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

since nobody loves me, I'm going ahead with my proposition :P -Xbony2 (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Older translated pages

I haven't been around long enough to know much about the wiki and it's older system of translation, although there is a bunch of debris left. By debris, I mean the bunch of older translated pages that are not using the translation module. I made a list here.

Anyway, these need to be dealt with. Most of them are old and feature outdated content, and they are in the way of using on the module on pages that have been translated the old way. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

xbony2 for translation admin

I nominate Xbony2 to be a translation admin. He'll be responsible for marking all the pages for translation and making sure all the translations are done correctly.

Vote pls.

Support

• Support. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 00:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support. he sounds like a nice guy. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support. za? why are bunnies swearing at me? PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 01:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support. say no more fam. Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  On a side note doesn't this require an actual group to be made; I could have sworn only sysops had that right. Wolfman_123_ · ✉^{FTB Wiki Staff} 02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

• Support. hat u bony -- SatanicSanta^{FTB Wiki Admin} 07:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Call da pl01ce. Cblair91 (talk) 10:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

• Neutral. For me it's weird when someone who is neither an admin nor a translator becomes a translation admin. P. S. On the same note, maybe should I also become a translation admin? — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 06:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  Xbony2 has been adding translation markup to a significant number of pages and cleaning out incorrect translations already, so this is just rewarding his hard work with the responsibility to keep doing that hard work into perpetuity. If it turns out that one translation admin isn't enough to keep up with the demand of marking pages for translation, and another person happens to be doing a good job adding translation markup to lots of pages, then perhaps we can consider having another translation admin, but that's in the distant future. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 08:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  We have many users across all time zones, with incredibly weird sleeping patterns. And I think it will be good to have all translation admins also cover all of them. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 09:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  I love how that line has become immortalized. PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 00:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Language bar

I think that the <languages /> bar should reside above the categories, since it is a displayable thing. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 06:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

And I think we should stick with the current standard of putting <languages /> at the very bottom since that is what all the pages on the wiki currently do and there's no advantage to changing the position, and it would just cause a lot of churn from having a mass edit to every single article. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 08:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

We have enough amount of robotics to do that. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 09:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

*cough*... HERRO?.... but either way, the standard on mediawiki and wikipedia is category, then translate. So best to fit the guidelines of a better setup^debatable place? Cblair91 (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Retired Template

I made a template, Template:User Retired for wiki members that have left. I'd like everyone to poke at it before I put it on any pages. -Xbony2 (talk) 17:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks useful, although it will get hectic to mark all inactives with that template. Having another ambox for semi-actives may also make sense. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 18:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Probably just the bigger ones, like Jinbobo and Jaded. I was going to make a semi-active/sporadic banner, but I wasn't sure how to word it. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Poll on What to Write

Last night, I posted a message on /r/feedthebeast, asking what sorts of things I should write about for the wiki. I got back a very large number of responses. So I'm putting them here now, partly as a to-do list, partly so that I'm not the only guy writing, and partly to keep all of us on the same page.

Mods:

• Thaumcraft 4
• Progressive Automation Articles done, but still needs retep998 to upload the tilesheet
• RFTools
• Draconic Evolution
• Witchery
• Anything in Agrarian Skies 2
• Blood Magic
  • Blood Altar and construction
  • Rituals
• Reika's Mods
  • ReactorCraft
• BuildCraft
• Steve's Factory Manager
• Thermal Expansion Family (Thermal Expansion, Foundation, and Dynamics)
• Factorization
• GregTech 5 Pipes and Covers

Getting Started pages:

• Ender IO
• Draconic Evolution
• Mekanism
• Big Reactors
• Logistics Pipes

Guide pages:

• Mystcraft
• Forestry (Isn't someone working on these?)
• ChromatiCraft

Miscellaneous:

• Designs for how to make more efficient systems / builds / factories
• Data, calculations, and ratios, especially for Botania

The two most voted-for items were Thaumcraft 4 and Blood Magic, so those are probably where most of our work should go first. - PaladinAHOne ^Staff (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Any of Jaded's packs, like Agrarian Skies 2, are actually being covered by her own wiki [1]. That said if the pack is publicly listed in the FTB launcher it can still also be documented here. 🐇Retep998🐇^{🐰Bunny Overlord🐰} 03:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I can help with the Forestry Guide, and I guess Buildcraft and Factorisation, although the BC stuff is horribly outdated which makes life annoying. With everything else I have only played Logi pipes on 1.2.5 and a little on 1.4.7 so I can't help especially.

I was a little surprised there was no new IC2/GT6 stuff, but it is /r/feedthebeast, which isn't typically fans of either. Chocohead ^{Nag• Edits• Staff} 15:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

OreDict Addition Requests for Steamcraft2

http://pastebin.com/0fuzfjfG - warlordjones (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

In progress... — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 14:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Done, although there is no item tilesheet for SC2. — NickTheRed37 ^t/_c • Russian Translator 14:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)