This page serves as an archive for the now antiquated public forum section on the FTB Forums. All new discussions belong on the centralized discussion board as opposed to that forum section.
What this section is for[]
Now that that's out of the way (avoiding confusion, as a couple of people have mistaken the threads in the Wiki Creation section to be about the unofficial wiki).
Basically, this section is for easily contacting any member of the wiki team without the need of a wiki account, hunting us down on reddit, or joining IRC. This is also for any suggestions, and (shocking I know) feedback for the wiki.
You can find us on the #FTB-Wiki IRC channel on Esper as well.— SatanicSanta, Sep 3 2014
Liked by Booker The Geek on Jun 27 2016, Nerixel on Sep 18 2014, trajing on Sep 3 2014, CarbonBasedGhost on Sep 3 2014, Padfoote on Sep 3 2014, and Gideonseymour on Sep 3 2014Wiki rebranding - logo[]
| “ | Any updates on this yet? Also, do you guys have a discord I can join? | „ |
| — QueenGambit |
As far as I know, no progress has been made on the logo itself. The process for rebranding the wiki is still happening, mostly thanks to @xbony2 working on various articles and portals for various modpack launchers like Technic and ATL.
Impossible to find server creation instructions on website; Wiki was wildly unhelpful.[]
When looking simply for somewhere to download the necessary files to host a server on my personal machine, why have I had to jump through so many dang hoops? I've been looking for the past 30 minutes just for a dang download link.
And I look on the wiki, and I literally see this:
10/10, very helpful.
So after more googling I finally found the link, and I figured I'd try to make it easier for the next person and update the wiki.
Nope.
Someone please update the freaking wiki to make it easier for the next guy.
The correct link is <snip, this is the wrong place>
— Nalydmerc, Aug 25 2016, edited by a moderator Aug 26 2016
Liked by boballama— Quetzi, Aug 26 2016
Liked by boballama— EODCrafter, Aug 28 2016
Liked by Robijnvogel— SatanicSanta, Aug 28 2016
Liked by Robijnvogel| “ | What article on the wiki did you look at? | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
Here's the download Server button.....
| “ | Here's the download Server button..... -snip- This clearly shows Download Server Button. |
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| — EODCrafter |
| “ | I am asking OP so that I can go update the article, not learn to set up a server :) | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
— EODCrafter, Aug 29 2016
Liked by SatanicSanta| “ | for server downloads see: http://support.feed-the-beast.com/faq/#dlServer (I removed the incorrect link from your post to save confusion) | „ |
| — Quetzi |
| “ | You do realize that the "+ 1 more" button is not intuitively obvious. I too went down the same path that the OP did. In fact I have gone down it two or three times this last year or two. Please make the server files more visible. | „ |
| — boballama |
— Quetzi, Dec 19 2016
Liked by Rovijnvogel and jikujaLooking for a good wiki on bees[]
http://i.imgur.com/tCNyXuz.png
Minecraft Forums - Bee Breeding Guide
FTB Bee Breeding Wikia (not the link above in @Bdogs1 comment)
Don't let the initial date on the MCForums link fool you - that was updated for years and I used it during Infinity Expert this year. Fantastic guide.Thaumcraft - and mods with multiple versions[]
I am trying to add my own contributions, but they largely track my "interest of the moment" so tend to bounce around between versions of mods (and mods) a lot.
The thaumcraft nav-boxes are already monstrosities so I am not sure what I want to suggest... but as a somewhat casual contributor I would like some way to write a page once that applies to thaumcraft 4 and 5 ...Mods Directory[]
Thank You,
CarbonBasedGhost— CarbonBasedGhost, Sep 3 2014
Liked by jedi13— Padfoote, Sep 3 2014
Liked by CarbonBasedGhost| “ | I believe we are planning to switch to a new dropdown as shown here. Would that still fulfill what you're looking for? | „ |
| — Padfoote |
— CarbonBasedGhost, Sep 3 2014
Liked by jedi13 and Padfoote| “ | Yes, but I think my idea could be added to, it would be achieved by clicking on the Mods Tab-Thingy instead of mousing over it. | „ |
| — CarbonBasedGhost |
— Padfoote, Sep 3 2014
Liked by Bigdbigd03— SatanicSanta, Sep 3 2014
Liked by Padfoote| “ | Yes, I will do that once Retep (or someone else) makes a flex box or css grid for the Mods page. It's currently the worst thing ever. | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
— CarbonBasedGhost, Sep 3 2014
Liked by SatanicSantaCrisis of the staff system[]
The FTB Wiki started as a non-publicly-editable project served by specially appointed users which together form the FTB Wiki staff. The wiki faced the problem of low activity, and one of the staff members, Jinbobo, proposed to make the project publicly editable. The proposal was accepted, but the problem where practically no new “regular” users do anything and everything is did by the leading group remained. Jin proposed that the staff system is the problem — the very existence of it may cause thoughts of viewers or newcomers like “They have staff, why should I ever bother working on this?” — and proposed to remove it. (ref 1) The full list of problems told by Jinbobo is as follows (he points out that the first two are the main ones):
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| — Jinbobo on ref 1, section Addendum |
Meanwhile I, the former Russian translator, questioned the requirement of the staff system and independently proposed to remove it. (ref 2) These events have begun the epoch which I call “the crisis of the staff system” and paved ground for a new group overhaul proposal by Retep998, which poses as an alternative to the system. (ref 3)
All these events may have a big effect on the FTB Wiki and the FTB community, so I have to open the discussion here, on the FTB Forum. Anyone is free to give feedback and to vote on the proposal.
References:
- http://ftb.gamepedia.com/Feed_The_Beast_Wiki:Administrators'_Noticeboard#New_editor_retention
- http://ftb.gamepedia.com/Feed_The_Beast_Wiki:Staff's_Noticeboard#Necessity_of_the_staff_system
- http://ftb.gamepedia.com/Feed_The_Beast_Wiki:Centralized_discussion#Group_overhaul_proposal
(Content beyond not included in source post)
Poll:
Do you think that the FTB Wiki's staff system should be removed?
Options and results:
- Yes: 3 votes, 50.0%
- No: 3 votes, 50.0%
bigger pictures?[]
What do you guys feel about making blocks in wiki pages a bit bigger. Maybe not as big this grass block in the wiki page above but... how about this size: mcw:File:Grass.png
It'd be nice to see the blocks instead of having to squint :(. Could we zoom in on the already small pictures or should we take another pic of the blocks?
— Jungalist81, Jun 25 2016
Liked by SatanicSanta
| “ | Do you mean the icons in crafting grids and such like in this image? If so, that likely won't happen since rebuilding all the crafting grid stuff to be able to use different sized icons will take a ridiculous amount of work.
Or do you mean the image in the infobox on the right? If so, it is mostly just a matter of someone dumping higher resolution images, uploading them, and setting the {{{image}}} parameter of {{Infobox}} appropriately. |
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| — retep998 |
hey reptep
Whoah what is that receipe haha nice.
Anyway, I mean the image in the infobox on the right. I might be interested in dumping higher resolution. Would we be able to start by copying the image from the official minecraft wikipedia: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_Wiki? Should we decide on a specific dimension and file size?There's no need to copy images from the minecraft wiki. The way we currently dump images for the wiki using NEI lets us easily dump them in higher resolutions if need be. I'll talk with other staff to see if we can decide on a standard size for them and way to do it. I'm thinking 128x128 is probably a good size.
| “ | I like the my example grass block wikipedia article. It has both a zoomed version of the block plus the original small image below it. | „ |
| — Jungalist81 |
— retep998, Jun 25 2016
Liked by SatanicSanta| “ | That recipe is from https://ftb.gamepedia.com/Circuit_Wiring_(Copper)
There's no need to copy images from the minecraft wiki. The way we currently dump images for the wiki using NEI lets us easily dump them in higher resolutions if need be. I'll talk with other staff to see if we can decide on a standard size for them and way to do it. I'm thinking 128x128 is probably a good size.
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| — retep998 |
sign me up :p
— retep998, Jun 25 2016
Liked by SatanicSanta| “ | https://ftb.gamepedia.com/Sifting_Table
Something like this would be better suited by a bot than a human, since it is just mindlessly uploading images and doing the same tiny edit to hundreds or thousands of pages. So I'd probably recommend finding some other way to help the wiki. There are a lot of mods that are missing huge amounts of documentation, perhaps you could write some articles for them. |
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| — retep998 |
oh wow i didn't know you could do something like that nice!
Sure ill look into some unwritten articlesDifferent updates on mods?[]
— retep998, Jun 17 2016
Liked by SatanicSantaWiki design feedback[]
To start, I wanted to share my feedback on this wiki. I was wondering if anyone is interested in wiki design change? Below are photoshop examples. My designs are inspired from the unofficial wiki site http://ftbwiki.org/Feed_The_Beast_Wiki.
Official FTB Wiki:
Photoshop Example 1
In example 1, the page is now a consistent dark template using the same gray and black shade. The top header is much smaller and the left panel has been moved to the right. This way, MC info is immediately located in the top-left. The navplate on the bottom doesn't display language choices, intead we can put that in the front page. Navplate is now 1 less click to more info. Personally, i'd like to have the navplate fully expanded in each article but i know it can get a bit cluttered on big mods. A good compromise is to have the page load the sub-categories as shown above.
Photoshop Example 2
Example 2 is another dark template with the left panel intact. Instead of a top header that looks like a useless toolbar, I threw it in a blast furnace and added the FTB logo on the top left.
Language choice isn't something that can be simply be moved to the main page, since different pages support different languages, and some pages support no languages, and the main page contains only links to mod pages, which may or may have translated navboxes. It's also possible (and common) the main mod page might not be translated, but some of the blocks and items might be. Also this makes it difficult for me to find translated pages and maintain them as need be.
I don't like the open navbox thing of the unofficial wiki. It's not really one less click, since the collapsible groups should already be open. It doesn't allow one to view the entire navbox without a bunch of clicking, and sometimes where one item/link may be isn't always obvious. I don't want users to have to search for it.
Having the sidebar on the right feels strange. If you don't like it though, I think making it collapsable would be cool, so people could focus on a page and not need to look at the other junk.
I like the shorter header of WOWpedia (your 2nd example). Adopting that would be good.
(and ping @SatanicSanta @retep998 @Chocohead , the most likely people to have something to say).Agree with xbony on the navboxes. Furthermore, it wouldn't work for the navboxes that are lazy loaded like Witchery.
I do agree the panel should e collapsed. Often it goes longer than the article itself. I don't particularly like on the right side, except in rtl languages like Arabic.
I agree that the big header at the top with the edit button and stuff should be a bit shorter."I don't like the open navbox thing of the unofficial wiki. It's not really one less click, since the collapsible groups should already be open. It doesn't allow one to view the entire navbox without a bunch of clicking, and sometimes where one item/link may be isn't always obvious. I don't want users to have to search for it."
I'm glad u said that, When navigating through learning the mods and their blocks and items, to me it's more convenient to just have everything displayed. When learning about mods, I almost always press the expand button several times and just look at the big list of blocks of items Since I'm not familiar where an item is categorized.
"Language can't be moved to main page"
How about separating the language choice links and put them above the nav? If the language choice is for each specific article, why have it guard the nav?
"There's a dark theme"
Oh okay cool I didn't know that, I will just switch to dark theme
" I don't want to follow ftbwiki.org"
Ignore that then, I shouldn't have said that. How about this: my request is inspired by the wow gamepedia and the Habbo gamepedia you showed me earlier. Wow gamepedia is a nice dark theme and Habbo gamepedia doesn't have lots of admin/page tool links in each article.
"I don't like right panel"
Hahaha me too! I over assumed you guys would get mad if I removed it. I like the idea of default collapsing the left panel. Finally, I'm glad you agree with the top header being a bit too big. Consider this, if u have a really high resolution monitor its not a big deal but it's still feels like big empty space up top on lower resolution.| “ | How about separating the language choice links and put them above the nav? If the language choice is for each specific article, why have it guard the nav? | „ |
| — Jungalist81 |
Most wikis that have the same translation extension we use actually put their language bars at the top of the page, but I think this is a bit too distracting since most users don't care that much about translations.
| “ | Ignore that then, I shouldn't have said that. How about this: my request is inspired by the wow gamepedia and the Habbo gamepedia you showed me earlier. Wow gamepedia is a nice dark theme and Habbo gamepedia doesn't have lots of admin/page tool links in each article. | „ |
| — Jungalist81 |
I don't really have a problem with stealing ideas from the unofficial wiki (the "Templates" editing toolbar is proof of that), I just think for the dark theme it would probable we'd get shit for it.
Oh, and don't worry about getting us mad, I'm only allowed to get mad at other staff members :pModpack Overview on Mobile[]
Example:
— SatanicSanta, Jul 1 2015
Liked by Padfoote| “ | I'm not entirely sure how, but I think our best solution would be to make tables scrollable on mobile. @cblair91 cqn you do this?
Paddie, for now when viewing large tables like this, just switch to desktop view at the bottom. Thanks for pointing it out! |
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| — SatanicSanta |
— cblair91, Jul 11 2015
Liked by SatanicSantaQuestion about Grid Images[]
| “ | So, I've noticed that on the Gamepedia wiki you have to upload a tilesheet of all the items and blocks in a mod along with their names to a moderator. I want to ask why is this a thing. Is it optimized better/easier to maintain? Do you not want regular users to be able to edit grid files for some reason? | „ |
| — goldenapple |
It was a result of our navboxes that went at the bottom of all pages. The GregTech navbox had grown so large that it crashed the wiki when someone edited it, and the wiki went slow when someone loaded it (it took over 20 seconds to load for the client too).
I think Retep and Jinbobo convened to create the tilesheet system, which a fair amount of sites in general use to lower server load and client load times. At that point, I believe Retep was the tilesheet manager, you'd send things to him to get them added. There were staff tools which he used to add icons to the tilesheets, but I don't know how easy they were to use or how much they automated things (I never used them; they scared me).
@retep998 do you still have anything to do with this?| “ | The tilesheet system was implemented because loading one large image was significantly faster than waiting for hundreds of individual images to load, never mind how long it takes for a page to build when it references hundreds of different files. It also meant we wouldn't have to upload tens of thousands of individual images to the wiki, or keep track of which mod each grid image was from. The result, while having a higher barrier of entry to setup the tilesheets, results in a convenient system of templates, and scales a lot better.
@Nerixel I'm still the only one with software to automate the process of creating and updating tilesheets, and all requests for tilesheets still go through me. Anyone with staff rights is able to modify the tilesheets though, and staff often will fix typos in the naming of tiles. |
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| — retep998 |
— Jinbobo, May 24 2015
Liked by SatanicSanta— retep998, May 24 2015
Liked by SatanicSanta— Padfoote, May 24 2015
Liked by Wolfman_123_ and JinboboIs the wiki broken?[]
— SatanicSanta, Oct 5 2014
Liked by pc_assassin on Oct 11 2014, Randomguy404 on Oct 11 2014, Nerixel on Oct 7 2014, and Gideonseymour on Oct 5 2014— SoraZodia, Oct 5 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta| “ | IC2 Navbox killed it again, sorry guys. | „ |
| — Chocohead |
[Image unavailable]
Just pinged Nana about it. Hopefully he's not AFK right now.
— SatanicSanta, Oct 11 2014, edited Oct 11 2014
Liked by pc_assassin and Chocohead| “ | IC2 Navbox killed it again, sorry guys. | „ |
| — Chocohead |
| “ | How does that even happen? | „ |
| — gallowglass |
[12:28:34] <@SatanicSanta> Captainnana: Thanks <3
| “ | Wut. http://puu.sh/clpoM/48bd2d5c9c.png | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
| “ | Hey @SatanicSanta how is that Gamepedia transition coming along? | „ |
| — retep998 |
| “ | Haven't heard from the GP guys in a while. They're likely busy with other things. | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
What is this you say?!?!
| “ | What is this you say?!?! And will you finally use Apache or IIS instead of NGINX |
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| — Christophernjsp |
— retep998, Nov 22 2014
Liked by Nerixel| “ | Uh, you do know that nginx performs vastly better than Apache and IIS, right? | „ |
| — retep998 |
Yes I personally prefer it. I just have problems with it on the wiki and only the wiki.
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store| “ | Yes I personally prefer it. I just have problems with it on the wiki and only the wiki.
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store |
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| — Christophernjsp |
— Nerixel, Nov 22 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta and Chaka| “ | Not only is only the wiki slow but I constantly get server errors bad gateways and just problems
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store |
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| — Christophernjsp |
The bad gateways and stuff were because of the cache server, I thought.
— Nerixel, Nov 22 2014
Liked by Chaka| “ | The bad gateways and stuff were because of the cache server, I thought. As for the wiki being slow, sure, perhaps Apache would help with that. Trials should be done or something. Sure glad I'm not on the wiki team anymore :p |
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| — Nerixel |
5 min ago I was testing servers so far I have nginx apache iis. I tested XenForo on them and nginx faired well. Next ill test MediaWiki then Drupal and WordPress
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store| “ | The bad gateways and stuff were because of the cache server, I thought. As for the wiki being slow, sure, perhaps Apache would help with that. Trials should be done or something. Sure glad I'm not on the wiki team anymore :p |
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| — Nerixel |
Hmm I think tadpoles swimming around the wiki made it faster. It started getting slow when satannicholas took over
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store— retep998, Nov 22 2014
Liked by Chaka and Padfoote| “ | Hmm I think tadpoles swimming around the wiki made it faster. It started getting slow when satannicholas took over | „ |
| — Christophernjsp |
| “ | What exactly did I take over? | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
Are you not the new Jinbobo?
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store| “ | Are you not the new Jinbobo?
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store |
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| — Christophernjsp |
— Padfoote, Nov 23 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta| “ | When I left, the team was being run by the team, not a single person. I would assume it is still the same. | „ |
| — Padfoote |
— SatanicSanta, Nov 23 2014
Liked by Padfoote| “ | It is. | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
Hmm ok.
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store| “ | Binary is not a character set. | „ |
| — retep998 |
Derp. Mistake on my part. Use binary instead of utf8
A message to retep (spoiler): 010010010010000001101011011011100110111101110111001000000110001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001110101011100110010000001101110011011110111010000100000011000010010000001100011011010000110000101110010011000010110001101110100011001010111001000100000011100110110010101110100
Sent from my flux armor using the tappatalk app from the flux store| “ | 010010010010000001101011011011100110111101110111001000000110001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001110101011100110010000001101110011011110111010000100000011000010010000001100011011010000110000101110010011000010110001101110100011001010111001000100000011100110110010101110100 | „ |
| — Christophernjsp |
| “ | Ok the new wiki sucks. | „ |
| — Christophernjsp |
— Nerixel, Nov 27 2014
Liked by Chaka, Strikingwolf, and Padfoote— Padfoote, Nov 27 2014
Liked by Chaka and StrikingwolfIt'll go live on Monday probably, which should fix those timeouts.
— retep998, Dec 6 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta, CoolSquid, and PadfooteDifference between Revisions Viewing[]
| “ | Alright, so I started playing around with the new wiki to see what's different, and the first thing I found (other than scroll lag), was that the difference between revisions option leads to a window that is extremely difficult to read. For example:
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| — Padfoote |
— SatanicSanta, Dec 3 2014
Liked by Chaka and Padfoote— SatanicSanta, Dec 3 2014
Liked by PadfooteBees[]
— Gideonseymour, Oct 21 2014
Liked by Kill-Joy on Oct 29 2014, Strikingwolf on Oct 22 2014, Padfoote on Oct 21 2014, the_j485 on Oct 21 2014, and SatanicSanta on Oct 21 2014— SatanicSanta, Oct 21 2014
Liked by Padfoote and Nerixel| “ | We tried to get a Forestry team to replace the Bee Team that disappeared last year. It didn't really work out. | „ |
| — SatanicSanta |
— Nerixel, Oct 21 2014
Liked by Chocohead on Oct 21 2014, Gideonseymour on Oct 21 2014, Padfoote on Oct 21 2014, and SatanicSanta on Oct 21 2014— Padfoote, Oct 21 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta, Yusunoha, and Elec332— retep998, Oct 21 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta and Padfoote| “ | We need everyone we can get, so long as they are competent enough to write good articles that don't need to be completely rewritten. | „ |
| — retep998 |
| “ | I am 100% for it. I am a pretty decent writer. I have a 98% in writing class at the moment lol (*unnecessary info alert*).Well anyways if you need me for bee help just message me or respond to this comment | „ |
| — DarkIron987 |
— retep998, Oct 21 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta and DarkIron987| “ | I am responding to this comment. | „ |
| — retep998 |
Shouldw e move this chat to a convo, TeamSpeak 3, etc.
| “ | Should we move this chat to a convo, TeamSpeak 3, etc. It doesn't matter to me. |
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| — DarkIron987 |
— retep998, Oct 22 2014
Liked by SatanicSanta, Strikingwolf, and DarkIron987