Feed The Beast Wiki:Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/2015

FlaggedRevs Temp Workaround
As you all should be aware by now, FlaggedRevs is causing a large amount of issues with regards to not being able to review pages in the Module namespace. This in turn causes non-logged in users to see script errors on all articles; essentially making the site unusable. Although we are trying our best to fix this issue, we have yet to find a solution.

This brings me to my crude idea of a hot-fix which involves allowing anonymous users see the latest version of all pages rather than just the latest reviewed edit (stable page). This is by no means a permanent fix; rather a temporary fix, as this means that any vandalism or spam on the wiki will be visible to all readers until removed by an editor. I realise this is a big task, as we will be required to step up our game in regards to removing such content from the wiki; however with the fairly-well reliable PonyButt IRC log and with editors across several timezones all with incredibly weird sleeping patterns (as Paladin so kindly put it), we should be able to keep up. -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * As a result of actions by, , and , as of 6 hours ago (and as noted at the end of the Discussion section), FlaggedRevs is no longer active on this wiki. Script Errors should no longer be present on articles as a result of it. PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * Cast a vote here if you support allowing anonymous users to see latest revisions by default. If you want the message to be removed under certain conditions, cast your vote in the "Conditional support" section below.
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 * 1)  I honestly believe that it is better for readers of the wiki to potentially see a small amount of vandalism rather than not be able to use it entirely. I also believe we shouldn't be forcing users to create an account simply for the purposes of reading an article. -- Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  Yohoho and a bottle of rum 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 05:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  We can rebuild it. We have the technology. -  PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 06:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 4)  It would be a good idea to protect certain pages, like popular mod pages and guides. Xbony2 (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 5)  Ayyyyyyeeeeeee --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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 * 1)  I don't see a point in bypassing FlaggedRevs but still having it. Either we ignore the problem and get one of the Curse guys to fix FlaggedRevs, or we just remove it. What use is it if you're already seeing the "unstable" version of the page over just seeing the page. We don't get enough spam for it even to make sense really.  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 19:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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Removal of Flagged Revisions extension
I received an email from Cblair91 saying you want this extension removed. Can you confirm ? — Game widow (talk) 16:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can confirm🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 18:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. I've removed it — Game widow (talk) 20:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Script error
If I'm not logged in, then I have script errors on the items in many crafting grids and infobox icons, for example on the Insulated Wire article. The Error message is: Lua error in Module:Language at line 25: attempt to index local 'args' (a nil value).

Backtrace: 1. (tail call): ? 2. Module:Language:25: in function "link" 3. Module:Grid:44: in function "chunk" 4. mw.lua:567: ? 5. (tail call): ? 6. [C]: in function "xpcall" 7. MWServer.lua:87: in function "handleCall" 8. MWServer.lua:301: in function "dispatch" 9. MWServer.lua:40: in function "execute" 10. mw_main.lua:7: in main chunk 11. [C]: ? If I'm logged in, does the presentation. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Modules cannot be reviewed, so when you are not logged in you always view the stable version of a page, which means the Modules are not up to date and therefore are broken. Either the FlaggedRevs extension would have to be fixed so Modules can be reviewed properly, or it would have to be removed. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 07:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the hint. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

G? Phasing Out
The move from the old grid style to the new (and current) tilesheet system was a great thing, but in order to keep backwards-compatibility, G? was made to convert anything like |ore=Iron Ore into  . The move was a really long time ago, and G itself really is inferior to Gc or O, meaning we're looking to phase out using G?, and try and avoid using G when you can achieve the same thing more efficiently using Gc or O and |link= and more importantly |mod=. With mods ever overlapping of names, it makes pages look much nicer if the grid icons work when the wiki knows which tilesheet to get the image from (which with G, it doesn't and can only guess, meaning it fails when there's overlapping of names). This is still in an early phase, so information may and probably will change from this.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 21:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Articles dependent on G?, there are slightly more pages than we expected. A few thousand more. Don't worry though, there's a doom counter to know what percent of the wiki currently needs fixing before G? can be deleted safely (ignoring template modifications to stop using it): And in case you need a more visual representation:  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

scrub -- Wolfman_123_ Wiki Staff ·&#32;(Talk) 10:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yours doesn't have a purge button :P  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 13:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Staff nomination
is active on the wiki and IRC, committed to contributing, follows the ACG and MOS better than I did when I was first nominated, and is a babe. For these reasons, he is nominated to be a member of the FTB Wiki Staff. Please vote y'all. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * 1)  ― Meh ― 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 02:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  – I second 's statement --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  ― I believe  should be promoted as he has proven to be very eager to help where possible and he has shown that he is not afraid to ask for help or instruction to further improve his edits and general knowledge. This support is conditional however as I still believe he needs to get a proper irc client. ―  Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉  F T B  Wiki Staff  03:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) * Kek. still uses webchat like a scrub. --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 03:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * 1)  - His edits are good, and he's been fixing the whole G? thing, and I can't be bothered to accept all the changes :P But I don't think he needs to get a proper IRC client. :P  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 16:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Tooltip formatting
Because I am feeling so generous I have provided another alias to Tooltip color in the form of §. In addition it now supports more Minecraft formatting codes such as      and   for extra formatting goodness. For some reason using  in crafting grid tooltips appears to break things so using   works perfectly. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 04:33, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks to we now have an even fancier template TTF which parses   formatting codes inline in the text and inserts the appropriate markup. 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 22:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Overhaul RI Template
As good as RI is, it is still at heart a Gc, but meaning many parameters that Gc has aren't being used, but are still slowing the wiki having to check them. User:Chocohead/Sandbox/Template:RI fixes this, by stripping it out so it only uses what it uses from the Gc template. There are two different versions depending on how invalid mod abbreviations are entered, the documentation on the template page explains that difference. IMO, this'll make a good template better (by making it more efficient and neat).  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Problem with the translation interface
Hmm ... Sorry but I have the next problem :/ ! The display of the translation interface is incorrect. The width is not fully utilized and the list is partially hidden by the Curse footer. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We're aware of this issue, and it's reported to devs. Cblair91 (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK thx ! --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I will however be issuing a local temporary fix later today to resolve this issue (hopefully) Cblair91 (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been fixed in our local CSS. If you're still having issues, try clearing your cache. Cblair91 (talk) 10:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Abuse filter problems
When editing this wiki, the abuse filter sometimes doesn’t let you to save the edit. The shown rule says: “Global AF - New spam filter”. —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  16:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. Cblair91 (talk) 05:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:X4
It would be cool if someone helped me with Template:X4, particularly with liquid handling. It's kind of broken, as seen here. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * What's it meant to look like?  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The liquid starts a little too high, and it is somewhat shorter than the liquid box. —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  16:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I dun gone fixed the liquids <3 Cblair91 (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed fixing. Off-topic:, can you mark Centrifuge (GregTech) and Flaxbeard's Steam Power for translation please? —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  18:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Image needs updating, but meh, it works <3, also done nick. Cblair91 (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Cg/Alchemic Chemistry Set
Could we get this added please, since I want to start overhauling a lot of blood magic stuff :3 Muchos gracias. Cblair91 (talk) 05:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with Blood Magic, but I think that it may be a good idea. And, muchas gracias — NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  05:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I might look into it if Retep doesn't do it. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Cg/Alchemic Chemistry Set - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Bee and Tree Note
Any bees in Extra Bees or Magic Bees must be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to a bug in NEI, and not me. Combs added by either mod should still reference their respective mod's tilesheet however.

Tree Saplings added by Extra Trees also need to be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to the same bug. The wood planks and other products (like fences or doors) however should still use the Extra Trees tilesheet.

Bug me if you have any questions.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just separate them manually? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Later, this was only meant to be a temporary solution until I know an update to the tilesheets would come quickly after me doing it.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 02:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking at this further, many of the tree/bee templates need all the bees/saplings in one place, otherwise there'd be a massive and horribly complicated mess trying to work out which tilesheet to call the sapling from. Just having everything on F makes life much much easier.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Just an update. It's not an nei issue/bug. Extra Bees and Magic Bees hook into Forestry's API, and add the bee's VIA that mod. It's the only way to handle the injecting of bees for forestry to allow them to work (for machines/breeding logic etc.). As such, when rendered, they're processed as being "added" by Forestry (since Forestry handles the ASM magical powder stuff), thus appears under that mod =] Cblair91 (talk) 05:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Good, then I'll not bother trying to separate them.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 15:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

xbony2 for translation admin
I nominate to be a translation admin. He'll be responsible for marking all the pages for translation and making sure all the translations are done correctly.

Vote pls.

Voting has finished as of right now. is now a translation admin. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 00:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 00:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * he sounds like a nice guy. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * za? why are bunnies swearing at me? PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 01:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * say no more fam. Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * On a side note doesn't this require an actual group to be made; I could have sworn only sysops had that right. Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * hat u bony --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 07:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Call da pl01ce. Cblair91 (talk) 10:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

 * . For me it's weird when someone who is neither an admin nor a translator becomes a translation admin. P. S. On the same note, maybe should I also become a translation admin? &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator  06:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Xbony2 has been adding translation markup to a significant number of pages and cleaning out incorrect translations already, so this is just rewarding his hard work with the responsibility to keep doing that hard work into perpetuity. If it turns out that one translation admin isn't enough to keep up with the demand of marking pages for translation, and another person happens to be doing a good job adding translation markup to lots of pages, then perhaps we can consider having another translation admin, but that's in the distant future. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 08:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We have many users across all time zones, with incredibly weird sleeping patterns. And I think it will be good to have all translation admins also cover all of them. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator  09:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I love how that line has become immortalized. PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 00:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Language bar
I think that the bar should reside above the categories, since it is a displayable thing. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator </b> 06:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And I think we should stick with the current standard of putting at the very bottom since that is what all the pages on the wiki currently do and there's no advantage to changing the position, and it would just cause a lot of churn from having a mass edit to every single article. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 08:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We have enough amount of robotics to do that. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 09:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * *cough*... HERRO?.... but either way, the standard on mediawiki and wikipedia is category, then translate. So best to fit the guidelines of a better setupdebatable place? Cblair91 (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Retired Template
I made a template, Template:User Retired for wiki members that have left. I'd like everyone to poke at it before I put it on any pages. -Xbony2 (talk) 17:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks useful, although it will get hectic to mark all inactives with that template. Having another ambox for semi-actives may also make sense. —  NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 18:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably just the bigger ones, like Jinbobo and Jaded. I was going to make a semi-active/sporadic banner, but I wasn't sure how to word it. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

OreDict Addition Requests for Steamcraft2
http://pastebin.com/0fuzfjfG - warlordjones (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In progress... &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 14:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, although there is no item tilesheet for SC2. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 14:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That's Retep's fault ^  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 14:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

2nd archive
Our noticeboard archive is getting way too cluttered. I propose we create a second one. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose we archive the archive.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 00:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose archiving by year. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 19:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if you're unlazy enough to cut it into different pieces :P -Xbony2 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose by getting on a knee, offering a ring, and asking to marry, as well as by agreeing with Retep. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I quite like the idea of archiving the archive like so: Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/Archive/Archive :P
 * But in all seriousness retep's suggestion is probably the best to sort it out by year which shouldn't be particularly hard assuming all posts are signed -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  07:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I support the idea of yearly or even half-yearly archivation, although if there are not much topics it may be better to archive topics of multiple years (or halves). And, really, we need to sort the archive from oldest to newest. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 14:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What do we do about discussions that take place over multiple years, eg starting in december and ending in january? Do we use the start year or the end year? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Both :P  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I say just the start. -Xbony2 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Archived things will be sorted by the date the discussion began. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 01:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I created an archive for each year, with the date the discussion began, since it was much easier to organize it that way. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Cg/Petal Apothecary and Cg/Mana Infusion conversion
See. I'm just putting it here so it can be noticed instead of hidden away. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 14:20, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * list cleared - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 05:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Minor change in disambiguation page layout
I made a minor experiment. In my opinion, it looks much better when the Disambiguation template is at the top of the article, rather than the bottom. What do y'all think? Should we change the layout so that the template goes at the top, or keep it at the bottom? If we choose to change it, I could very easily write a script to automatically change it, and utilize our new MediaWiki::Butt RubyGem! Please have an informal vote because I don't feel like setting that shit up right now (though if someone else wants to I would not object). --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 18:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (too distracting) -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You want the links first as that's what you're actually trying to get to. After all, we don't have disambig pages as long as your big test page one. If you do want something useful botwise to do, could you convert Copper Cable -> Insulated Copper Cable and Uninsulated Copper Cable -> Copper Cable?  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 22:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As if that would be fixed :P -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 22:43, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep it how it is; you want the content/links to be first and not cluttered down the page. -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  00:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * per others. Also, the disambiguation notice looks better at the bottom. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 15:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Death to link=false
Although converted most instances of link=false to link=none (as it should be), some translatable articles weren't effected. I'll fix this soon-ish. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * k --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 17:45, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * mkay I'm done. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * you should move this to the archive because I'm on mobile right now and editing is shit --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Small Tilesheet guide
Hello ! Can any of you write a few words about how to win the graphics for tilesheets please ?! The know the structure, the sizes (32px, 16px) and the construction of tilesheets. But I wonder where you have the graphics ago. I have try it with screenshots and the textures from the package, but somehow it looks not so like your tilesheets. I use Gimp as graphic program. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The way we typically do it nowadays is using the NEI mod. To get the tiles you simply filter the NEI panel to show the items from the mod by double clicking the modname in the top dropdown box; and then you goto the NEI settings button down the bottom right, then goto "Dumps" and then output the images as a 64x .png. From there retep's tilesheet program automatically downscales the images to 16x and 32x for uploading. -- Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  22:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks ! I will try it in the next days. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Works perfect with NEI :) ! Thanks to Wolfman_123_ for the manual, and Retep for the incorporation into the Image uploading guideline. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Longer version of a guide. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Simple Bot Request
Can someone run a bot to make the following redirect pages: Right now all the Botania flowers/petals/powder icons link nowhere, so need redirects to the right collective pages. There is the issue that pages are missing  though.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Run. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 19:53, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A large number of pages are missing  though, which means they'll need fixing, potentially/probably manually.  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 20:06, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Older translated pages
I haven't been around long enough to know much about the wiki and it's older system of translation, although there is a bunch of debris left. By debris, I mean the bunch of older translated pages that are not using the translation module. I made a list here.

Anyway, these need to be dealt with. Most of them are old and feature outdated content, and they are in the way of using on the module on pages that have been translated the old way. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Joining the question. I think I should create a bot script to look up all of articles with subpages that aren't marked for translation. &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 12:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My current list should include almost all of them, although I did it manually through using the list of categories. Anything not in a category is missed... -Xbony2 (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Poll on What to Write
Last night, I posted a message on /r/feedthebeast, asking what sorts of things I should write about for the wiki. I got back a very large number of responses. So I'm putting them here now, partly as a to-do list, partly so that I'm not the only guy writing, and partly to keep all of us on the same page.

Mods:
 * Thaumcraft 4
 * RFTools
 * Draconic Evolution
 * Witchery
 * Anything in Agrarian Skies 2
 * Blood Magic
 * Blood Altar and construction Reverse-Construction guide written
 * Rituals
 * Reika's Mods
 * ReactorCraft
 * I'll be doing a tilesheet upload to Retep's talk page soon for ReactorCraft, that should help with recipes and what not. Luke14199 (talk) 05:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Getting Started pages: Guide pages: Miscellaneous:
 * BuildCraft
 * Steve's Factory Manager
 * Thermal Expansion Family (Thermal Expansion, Foundation, and Dynamics) Thermal Dynamics done, but needs to upload the tilesheet
 * Factorization
 * GregTech 5 Pipes and Covers
 * Ender IO
 * Draconic Evolution
 * Mekanism
 * Big Reactors
 * Logistics Pipes
 * Mystcraft
 * Forestry (Isn't someone working on these?)
 * ChromatiCraft
 * Designs for how to make more efficient systems / builds / factories
 * Regarding RotaryCraft and ReactorCraft systems, Reika has expressed a dislike of people simply copying other designs, he's created these mods in such a way that doing this usually results in more pain for the user than benefit. Reason being that they don't understand the mechanics that make up the designs. (That being said, if they understand the mechanics and simply want to find a more efficient design, I'm sure he's all for that). Luke14199 (talk) 05:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The two most voted-for items were Thaumcraft 4 and Blood Magic, so those are probably where most of our work should go first. - PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Data, calculations, and ratios, especially for Botania
 * Any of Jaded's packs, like Agrarian Skies 2, are actually being covered by her own wiki . That said if the pack is publicly listed in the FTB launcher it can still also be documented here. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 03:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I can help with the Forestry Guide, and I guess Buildcraft and Factorisation, although the BC stuff is horribly outdated which makes life annoying. With everything else I have only played Logi pipes on 1.2.5 and a little on 1.4.7 so I can't help especially.
 * I was a little surprised there was no new IC2/GT6 stuff, but it is /r/feedthebeast, which isn't typically fans of either.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 15:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yo PaladinOne: I'll be making the PA and TD tilesheets once vacation is over (I have my laptop with me, but it's old and can't use Java 7-8, so I imagine Rust will not work). Unless of course Retep beats me to it (and unless XyCraft is released for 1.7) -Xbony2 (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. May be broken though, I haven't looked yet :P -Xbony2 (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Mass-edit bot policy
Due to things, and I have decided that we need a hard rule for when to use a bot. A bot policy, for those of you that like names. I looked in our existing policies, and despite my memory, it seems we do not have one yet. As shown by disagreements about when you are performing too many (nearly) identical edits as a human account on Xbony's talk page, some editors consider "too many" to be a lot larger than others. This disrupts editing and reviewing and takes time away from our staff. Peter and I have discussed briefly on IRC about this, and have decided that 20 would be a good number of (nearly) identical edits to start the discussion at. There will be no vote; the administrators will simply take your input and make an executive decision based on that. Please discuss. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 23:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Just commenting to mention that I am supporting this policy. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 23:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * 25-35 would be more appropriate. 20 is barely the size of my palm against my monitor. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 00:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Anything more than 25 is too much IMO, the default recent changes settings shouldn't have to be increased purely because someone doesn't care spamming them with the same thing.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 12:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn’t saw the IRC discussion (probably because my ZNC disconnected), but I agree with everyone else. Something between 20 and 30 is possibly enough for the line. —  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 17:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * 20 or 25 would be fine for a hard line, but at user discretion I'd like to encourage bot usage whenever possible for repetitive minor edits. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 22:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Dates on Project Pages
Idea: Should Project pages (ACG, MOS) have a line at the top or bottom indicating obviously when the page was last updated? This would make it easier for editors to know if the wiki policies have been changed.

Second idea which I may just go and implement myself when I'm not on an iPad: fix capitalization of Project page titles, because right now they are not capitalized in manner that fits them being full titles. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 01:13, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * 1. not sure if this is just on mobile but from what I can see it does clearly state when it was last edited. 2. If you do that be sure to start a discussion for each one beforehand. Some should be sentence cased. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * That would appear to be either just on mobile or just when you're looking at a specific edit, not the page itself. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 05:53, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I just got around to looking. It's there on desktop version: http://puu.sh/kDEIO/b8417f29ab.png --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 04:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

New rule
I have a proposal for a new rule. It's a bit obvious, but here goes- the output argument in a Cg template should never be ore dictionaried. Cause that's retarded. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 11:28, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Firstly, don't use the word retarded. It's offensive and ignorant. Secondly, no. If a mod outputs an OreDictionary entry, set the O parameter to that OreDictionary entry, then go report it as a bug because the mod should not do that. Our job is to provide accurate information on the mods. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:22, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You cannot output a ore dictionary entry in a recipe. That is not possible. No mod ever output an OreDictionary entry. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 00:39, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To elaborate, putting multiple items an output isn't a bad convention, it is a compiler error. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're wrong, at least in 1.7 and the version that I'm using for my mod development. The whole point of GT Error 01 was because Forge did not report it in any way. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It is possible for mods to use an oredict entry as the output of a recipe, although it is incorrect. GregTech did indeed catch and report such mistakes. Anyway, the output of a Cg template should use exactly what the mod uses. If the mod outputs an oredict item like an idiot, then we should reflect that. If the mod outputs a specific item, then use that specific item. Our job is to provide accurate information, with all the bugs and typos that the mod comes with. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 02:10, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

^ ??? -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 11:10, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your argument. If a mod adds a recipe like that, it should be documented like that. End of story. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 19:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how that is possible to add. Can we at least agree putting an ore dictionary entry as an output for Cg is inappropriate when the actual recipe is a plain ol' item? -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 20:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Doing that would be wrong as that's not the recipe from the mod anyway, so of course.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 21:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving wiki-specific pages from mainspace
Specifically Sandbox and Feed The Beast Wiki:FTB Wiki Staff, if not more. The main namespace is for articles about FTB; wiki-specific pages should be stated separately, in Feed The Beast Wiki namespace. I don't know why are they misplaced.

For the staff page specifically, we have to make a new name to be used after the colon, the namespace name separator. I would go for "Wiki Staff", or just "Staff", so the whole name would be like "Feed The Beast Wiki:Wiki Staff".

Of course, we should keep the redirects.

&mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 12:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I think Feed The Beast Wiki:FTB Wiki Staff is ok, but Sandbox definitely should be moved. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No it's not. &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 06:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I consider it to be a main page of sorts, like the actual main page. The way I see it, it's sort of a credits page (although that isn't entirely accurate, there are many non-staff contributors). -Xbony2 (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki about FTB, not about itself. —  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 13:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, Nick. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 13:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We need more users... to support and to oppose. —  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 14:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * General MediaWiki guidelines specify both of these should really be in project namespace, I will probably patrol through a bunch of other common titles that will go into the project NS, and deal with when and where applicable. Either way, this is common practice and in my opinion, shouldn't really need a discussion. Cblair91 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

So? &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 11:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I just independently had the same thought, however the page is protected so I can't do it myself. Santa? - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 00:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm okay with moving these to the FTB namespace. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 03:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I have written the code needed for this, however there is a little issue in MediaWiki::Butt that I need to address before it'll work. I'm hoping to get a new release of the gem out soon, probably at some point in the next few days or later in the week. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 04:29, 6 December 2015 (UTC)