Feed The Beast Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2016

MediaWiki:Sitenotice
MediaWiki:Sitenotice can be cleared to "-" to remove it. It's been over a year, so any accounts that were worth merging have been merged. Just in case, I put said information on the FAQ. -Xbony2 (talk) 14:12, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. I replaced it with something regarding our extensions. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 23:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Xbony2 for Administrator/Bureaucrat
The reason I'm applying for both is because my current group proposal has them combined.

I'm Xbony2. I've been on this wiki for a fairly long time- I registered on wiki.feed-the-beast.com on July 15th, 2014. This is my first edit (you can see my userpage has evolved much since then). I became mod maintainer and part of staff on October 28th, 2014. But I didn't really start editing seriously until January 2015; during that month, I made at least a couple edits every day, usually more. Wiki editing slowly became my "major hobby" over programming mods. I figured out how to markup pages and deal with translation, and became translation administrator after a vote that started on the 21st of April 2015 and ended on May 4th (a few days after my birthday. Cool, huh?) (Retep announced it on May 5th, but the user rights change on the 4th).

Since then, I've been wiking away. I've [arguable] become the most active editor ever on the Feed The Beast Wiki, and one of the top editors on Gamepedia in general (trivia: I own a Gamepedia shirt, Gamepedia mug, Hydra plushie and some other junk after Gamepedia gave free stuff to the top 100 editors based on wikipoints). I've created the Translation Restoration project, as well as overhauled how pages are marked up and marked up a very large amount of pages (likely the majority of them). I've documented a lot of mods, the newer ones including Immersive Engineering and Avaritia. I've done a lot of maintenance work too, G fixes, category restructures, cleaning up of articles, etc. I've welcomed and been generally friendly (in my somewhat humble opinion) to new users. I created the IP award.

I would like to have full administration/bureaucrat rights. If you don't know what this means or includes, look at Special:ListGroupRights. The bureaucrat group has the largest amount of responsibilities, excluding Curse. The mort important rights is that it allows me to modify groups, to block users, to change protections, to edit the interwiki, to edit all pages, to edit stuff in the MediaWiki namespace, to nuke and to modify many internal settings/filters. If given, I will not abuse these powers, as I believe I have not abused my current rights.

Retep told me all staffs' vote counts, not just administrators. This is pretty reasonable; a two-person vote would be a bit lame. Since my vote for translation administrator was over a period of about 2 weeks, this vote will close on February 28th.

Update: After this application was created, SatanicSanta has given me banhammer rights. This makes a point or two invalid below. It is a bit disappointing to have to create a very wordy adminship application with much debate just to gain this right, even though I have requested it from the two administrators several times in the past, with them seemingly considering me eligible but not doing anything.

Update 2/Decision: Although some of the staff which haven't voted yet could vote support and I could become administrator/bureaucrat, I feel I couldn't accept it without a larger consensus (plus I don't imagine that would happen anyway). It is probable that I will re-apply for administrator (less probable for bureaucrat) at a future time, but I do feel like everyone got something out of this vote anyway; I've received the long merited banhammer (which is something I would argue that all staff should have, not just the crazy ones like me [though this can be discussed at a later debate]), and the current administrators have pledged to react faster to requests given to them. I'd like to thank everyone who voted, even the ones that voted against me (I'm still unfriending all of you on Facebook though).

Support

 * It took me more then an hour to right write this. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Mhhhh .... it seems to be a great responsibility (where I know about it less than the admins). But he does already many tasks about the entire wiki and I think he will do that all right, and will support/relieve SatanicSanta and Retep998. But as always with higher responsibilities, he must think 1 times more about his actions. And he has a "Gamepedia Mug" .... that's the right equipment for a bureaucrat, then he only needs coffee.
 * To be honest, I don't like coffee and have never used the Gamepedia mug for that. I've used it for soda and orange juice though. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Against

 * With banhammer rights (which I totally agree with you having BTW), I don't see the point in you having admin rights. With what you say you need, banning you've now got, update to rights it's clear Retep and Santa have got that covered with how infrequently it happens, and protected pages are protected for a reason. If they've been protected but shouldn't be, then they can just be lowered to Staff edit-only rather than Admin edit-only, or the protection removed completely. With pages like the main page or core templates that are admin edit-only, it's better than the edits to them are compacted down and offloaded to duplicate versions so that the wiki itself isn't effected until the changes are proved to be fine. There is, after all, no point in you having rights like edit filters and the interwiki table if you're never going to use them.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 22:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 22:24, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I somewhat do too. However, I think that voting against me means that you and Retep will need to step up and cleanup some of the mess caused by you two's ignorant (as in ignoring the mess the wiki is) behavior. This includes cleaning groups, updating the Sidebar, and overhauling some of the MediaWiki namespace's messages to make it easier for contributors and new users to pointer to the wikis guides/guidelines/MOS, some of which are nonexistent or outdated. -Xbony2 (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 23:26, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The main reason I ran for administrator was dissatisfaction with current administrational [lack of] actions. Ex. when requested to fix an issue on the Common.js which was easily fixable, asking Retep many multiple times just wasn't enough. It took over a week for it to be resolved, by you, who was at the time "in and out" of wiki editing and hard to reach. One week is seriously a bullshit response period. Things have generally improved since then, but I would have much hesitation before calling it perfect. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * , I don't feel good about giving power to someone who is asking for power. You are a competent editor but that doesn't necessarily translate to someone good at administrative things. I also do feel a minor pang of guilt for not having good response times to your requests for certain things to be done, so I'll try to improve on that which simply means not procrastinating and just doing things when asked. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 12:50, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If you don't ask, you don't receive, and little is done. I think my work as translation administrator/editor shows I would not be a terrible administrator. -Xbony2 (talk) 13:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (I as well will work on doing shit when asked and not procrastinating as much anymore, so you won't be alone in this anti-procrastination journey) --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 05:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

 * No comment. Cblair91 (talk) 12:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * , I feel rights should be given on a "will use the permissions given" status. As bony doesn't do, and has a lack of showing, that the permissions given from sysop/crat will be used in an advantaged manner, I vote against.Cblair91 (talk) 12:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * To prevent confusion, Cblair's vote is considered neutral/abstrain. See the CurseVoice conversation below.

(Addressing this comment in a minute) -Xbony2 (talk) 12:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Cblair's point is that I do not need these rights. I disagree. I've had to request a large number of administrative/bureaucrative actions from Retep/Santa (usually the later), including edits to protected pages (especially Project:FTB Wiki Staff which took many requests to update, until thank god Santa removed the protection over that page), updates to user rights, and lastly (and most importantly) blocks. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:39, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocking can be done without administrative rights through the banhammer usergroup. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 20:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Supposable. I have requested this many times, and the general response has always been... "Should bony have banhammer? I dunno, do you know? I dunno". -Xbony2 (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * — I don’t have anything serious against appointing Xbony2 as an administrator, but why go for being a bureaucrat?! Xbony2, you are asking for that too soon. We already have two here, plus we have Curse staff. And you weren’t a fitting administrator yet to be applicable for a bureaucrat. — Agent NickTheRed37  ( Kirk to   Enterprise ) — Russian Translator and Minepedian 15:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * : I mentioned this already, but my current reformed group proposal has the group merged; unlike the MCW and wikipedia/wiktionary, this wiki isn't really big enough for there to really need to have a difference. Throughout the wiki history, there's only been one admin (AgentTadpole aka Nerixel) who didn't become a bureaucrat. My group proposal is just a proposal and isn't even finished yet (at the moment), but there hasn't been much stated disagreement with the idea. -Xbony2 (talk) 15:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don’t like having default rights merged. Some extensions might be confused by that, plus I just don’t like that (I don’t know why).
 * And, as a point of comparison, I would say that my own home wiki, the Russian Minecraft Wiki, is also “not big enough” so it could have the two groups merged, but what we have is apparently okay. We don’t need modifications to user rights. (We had a special “moderator” user group ages ago, and I even was a member of this group, but it was scrapped.) Alongside the only active bureaucrat user, we have a somewhat active regular admin, plus a nearly-inactive admin sometimes appears on the wiki.
 * And, Xbony2, just a personal thing: you’re too active. Don’t wear yourself down. — Agent NickTheRed37  ( Kirk to   Enterprise ) — Russian Translator and Minepedian 16:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to merging admin and bureaucrat. While I am still somewhat neutral in your application to be administrator, I am opposed to you being a bureaucrat. There is simply no need for more bureaucrats as their power is needed very rarely to promote/demote staff which is never a thing that needs to be rushed. It is useful to have people that can be trusted to do technical things which is what sysop/admin should be, people who can muck about with the javascript and css and core templates without messing up the wiki. Bureaucrat is for a smaller group of people that only are needed when there is a staff promotion/demotion which is rare. Meanwhile the power to block is granted via banhammer which doesn't need admin. Having that separation is good. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 21:15, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Debate over group reform is something that should go on the Staff's Noticeboard at a later date. If you wish, you can vote " Xbony2 for administrator but Xbony2 for bureaucrat" or " Xbony2 for administrator but  Xbony2 for bureaucrat".
 * : don't worry too much about me. Wiki editing is more or less my passion, but it's not my only hobby; I'm healthy and happy, so I think I'm doing okay. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
Looks like the goal is going to be “No”, isn’t it? — Agent NickTheRed37  ( Kirk to   Enterprise ) — Russian Translator and Minepedian 15:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I closed it, remember? -Xbony2 (talk) 22:12, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Fix for Template:T JavaScript
The recent MediaWiki update broke T, and from a quick test in my browser's console it can be fixed by changing the line in MediaWiki:Common.js from $( this ).children( '.tankLiquidImageContainer.minetip .tankLiquidImage' ).each( function { To $( this ).children( '.tankLiquidImageContainer.minetip' ).children( '.tankLiquidImage' ).each( function {

Can an admin please make the fix?

–KnightMiner t/c 02:57, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Done 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 04:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Common.js cleanup pt.1
Requesting for the deletion of the "insertUsername" section of the Common.js. This is a small script by Cblair91... it's ununused, and unfinished for that matter; USERNAME should be a created template, like here on her habbo wiki. Although it could be complete, and is generally a clever idea, it doesn't have much use other then as a cheap trick to impress/creep out the reader. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:23, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Done --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 17:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Was it intentional that you deleted the  part of the code rather than the  ? In any case, the code from   does not seem to do anything. –KnightMiner t/c 19:06, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nope, I was half asleep when I did this :D --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 19:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Protection for safety
Most of the vandalistic attacks on this wiki have been arbitrary and aren't particularly offensive or effective. However, many of the templates and modules (as listed below) are unprotected, and any user can changed them. If someone with more serious motivates and higher technical skills was to to attack one of these (like a crazy competitor or evil ex-staff), it could break basically every page on the wiki, or at least a lot of them. Thus, I'm proposing these following pages be put into "editor"(+) protection. Although they could easily go for staff or even admin-only protection, there's a pretty small amount of non-staff editors (hint- it's pretty close to 0) and (in my opinion) they can all be trusted with very little risk. I'm a bit embarrassed these aren't already protected. Somebody add this to my list of why I want to be admin. May justice prevail (or something, I wanted to end this interestingly).
 * Navbar
 * Transclude
 * Gc (the redirect; G/Cell is already protected but the redirect everyone uses isn't...)
 * and
 * and
 * Cg
 * and
 * NI (the redirect again...)
 * Navbox subgroup
 * Navbox item/disambiguation and NID
 * Cg/Crafting Table
 * Clear
 * Tl
 * Navbox/Lazy
 * G/O and O
 * Navbox item/disambiguation and NID
 * Cg/Crafting Table
 * Clear
 * Tl
 * Navbox/Lazy
 * G/O and O

Also requesting for the unprotection of MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js‎ and MediaWiki:Gadget-DotsSyntaxHighlighter.js‎, apparently Santa doesn't know pages in that namespace are automatically protected per default >.> -Xbony2 (talk) 13:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Protection cannot be set to editor. It can be set to everyone, autoconfirmed, staff and admin, admin, or bureaucrats only. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 13:55, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's stupid. I guess staff would better. -Xbony2 (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. I also protected Cg/Furnace. The /en pages cannot be protected because they cannot be updated manually. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Protection 2
Requesting the unprotection of IndustrialCraft 2; I requested Retep to protect it until the removal of EU was announced as merely an April Fools joke.

And requesting the protection of List of Mod Author Patreon accounts to the "autoconfirmed" level, and move to the "staff" level. It is suppose to be a replacement for FTB's list on Confluence, so it'll be linked to on the top of the FTB Forums, so it'll be probably be a high-traffic page. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Done --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:19, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * PROTEST! List of Mod Author Patreon accounts really should not be sysop-only; staff-only at most. It's not like the main page; it's a pretty dynamic list, and I don't want to rely merely on you, since we know Retep probably isn't going to do shit. Also since I made the page it would make sense if I could edit it :P -Xbony2 22:12, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * u wot m8 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 23:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * yeah dat's rite. Here's some chocolate for your bunny-butt ->🍫 -Xbony2 (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That was an accident. Sorry --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Forgiven once you get me that Dutch bae. -Xbony2 (talk) 22:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested MediaWiki namespace additions
This is all very much needed and stuff. Thanks. -Xbony2 (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) MediaWiki:section-templates with text:
 * 2) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-infoboxes with text:
 * 3) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-cg with text:
 * 4) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-grids with text:
 * 5) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc with text:
 * 6) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-infoboxes-main with text:
 * 7) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-infoboxes-mod with text:
 * 8) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-cg-crafting with text:
 * 9) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-cg-furnace with text:
 * 10) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-grids-item with text:
 * 11) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-grids-ore with text:
 * 12) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-grids-liquid with text:
 * 13) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-grids-string with text:
 * 14) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-pn with text:
 * 15) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-p with text:
 * 16) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-l with text:
 * 17) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-dis with text:
 * 18) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-stub with text:
 * 19) MediaWiki:section-templates-groups-misc-cleanup with text:
 * Why? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 19:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * To allow User:Xbony2/common/toolbar.js to have proper localizations, which is something, when complete, may become part of the wiki JS core. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay well let's just wait for that to actually happen first --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 21:48, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * These localizations are one of the things required before it is complete. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, but it has not even been discussed. I'd prefer to keep the MW namespace clean until we're actually ready for it. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 21:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It won't break anything. Why? -Xbony2 (talk) 01:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Because if we decide against it A) We'll have to delete all of them, and B) I'll probably forget to delete them. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:36, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * A) Just because it may not be used per default doesn't mean people won't use it ;) and B) I'd remind me you constantly. C) ko gasnu .e'osai -Xbony2 (talk) 02:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Requesting temp. adminship to do these and to make my script into a gadget. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It still hasn't been decided if we are going to use these things. I'm waiting on a response from and perhaps  and . --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Do we really need to call everyone and their mother to do this? It's going to be a gadget; if anyone has a problem will it, they can just disable it in their preferences. Of course, it won't be on per default anyway when it's first introduced. -Xbony2 (talk) 01:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We aren't an oligarchy. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * But we are. If we were a proper democracy, we'd have at least more then ten active staff members. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:15, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We'd need 10 more active members before we could have 10 more active staff. A certain bunny needs to get breeding like his species is known for.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:16, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Anyway, SatanicSanta, if anybody had any serious objections or comments that they wanted to raise, they would do so. If someone doesn't keep track of RecentChanges, or at least the noticeboards, that's their own fault. This is something that's been tossed around for a month; there's been many chances to say "BONY THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA!" and no one really has... -Xbony2 (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Good point. I'll deal with it this week. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 03:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I approve of these changes. Creating pages in MediaWiki: won't affect anything unless it is already in Special:AllMessages. I see no harm in trying. -- Kappa

Also, Xbony is right. Hint: An intimidating environment will scare away potential editiors. wp:WP:WER -- Kappa
 * The intimidating environment is not us arguing on the Admin's Noticeboard. The intimidating environment is all the complicated templates, which aren't going away. That and doing wiki work gets old quickly if you're not motivated.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 19:11, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

, I've created these pages. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 19:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * : They need to be moved to have the prefix "WikiEditor-", like MediaWiki:WikiEditor-section-templates. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been having issues getting the localizations to work. However, I'd recommend keeping these in the case it does become fixed (and moving MediaWiki:WikiEditor-section-templates back to MediaWiki:section-templates). -Xbony2 (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Toolbar finalizations
Requesting for User:Xbony2/common/toolbar.js to be moved to MediaWiki:Gadget-toolbar.js. I'd prefer a move rather than a copy-paste so that I can get the credit I somewhat deserve :P (don't worry about my JS being a bit broken from it). Next step is the conversion of it to a Gadget, and making it on per default. If you don't know how to do this, look here. There's also dozens of examples on Wikipedia and Wiktionary and on other wikis too. Or you could give me temp. adminship.

Before Santa or some other scrub protests that further input is needed... I disagree. I've had this on the centralized discussion and administrator's noticeboard for about two months now. Plus, if you don't like it, you can disable it. That's why I'm making it a Gadget; you can disable it. In fact, you can also disable the entire toolbar if you want (that doesn't have anything to do with being a gadget though). There will very likely be more input once it is put into usage for editors, which is fine since it's awfully easy to extend. -Xbony2 (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * i think i did it \o/ --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:23, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You tried, I guess. Move User:Xbony2/toolbar to MediaWiki:Gadget-toolbar. And put a [default] in the definition. -Xbony2 (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * done --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:29, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And |ResourceLoader.... -Xbony2 (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

(reply to: User talk:TheSatanicSanta - "It still isn't showing up though.")
 * Ugh. Wrap a...

...around the top (right under the comment) and... around the botton. Probably works. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually wait, it just magically showed up for me. Forgot it. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Gadget completion
Add full direction support to MediaWiki:Gadget-CgAnimation.css- Cg/Furnace goes the wrong way... real annoying. I tried to fix it but our gadget here has no  class, or a   class, the later which could have the potential to be used in the future, the earlier we need now. -Xbony2 (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I made it possible to use left. I'm not sure what to do about down because these animations are for revealing the full bar, rather than hiding it. And for some reason, the latter is something I can't wrap my head around. ? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, all four directions implemented. Also added a reverse parameter that is used to reverse the direction to make it shrink instead of grow. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 03:34, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Broken O
O is broken. See Apple Jelly Sandwich. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * More specifically, it is handling the error case, where nothing matches the oredict entry, incorrectly. listAllnutbutter and foodApplejelly have no entries in the oredict table. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 11:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 17:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)