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Older translated pages
I haven't been around long enough to know much about the wiki and it's older system of translation, although there is a bunch of debris left. By debris, I mean the bunch of older translated pages that are not using the translation module. I made a list here.

Anyway, these need to be dealt with. Most of them are old and feature outdated content, and they are in the way of using on the module on pages that have been translated the old way. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Joining the question. I think I should create a bot script to look up all of articles with subpages that aren't marked for translation. &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 12:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My current list should include almost all of them, although I did it manually through using the list of categories. Anything not in a category is missed... -Xbony2 (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Poll on What to Write
Last night, I posted a message on /r/feedthebeast, asking what sorts of things I should write about for the wiki. I got back a very large number of responses. So I'm putting them here now, partly as a to-do list, partly so that I'm not the only guy writing, and partly to keep all of us on the same page.

Mods: Getting Started pages: Guide pages: Miscellaneous: The two most voted-for items were Thaumcraft 4 and Blood Magic, so those are probably where most of our work should go first. - PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thaumcraft 4
 * RFTools
 * Draconic Evolution
 * Witchery
 * Anything in Agrarian Skies 2
 * Blood Magic
 * Blood Altar and construction Reverse-Construction guide written
 * Rituals
 * Reika's Mods
 * ReactorCraft
 * BuildCraft
 * Steve's Factory Manager
 * Thermal Expansion Family (Thermal Expansion, Foundation, and Dynamics) Thermal Dynamics done, but needs to upload the tilesheet
 * Factorization
 * GregTech 5 Pipes and Covers
 * Ender IO
 * Draconic Evolution
 * Mekanism
 * Big Reactors
 * Logistics Pipes
 * Mystcraft
 * Forestry (Isn't someone working on these?)
 * ChromatiCraft
 * Designs for how to make more efficient systems / builds / factories
 * Data, calculations, and ratios, especially for Botania
 * Any of Jaded's packs, like Agrarian Skies 2, are actually being covered by her own wiki . That said if the pack is publicly listed in the FTB launcher it can still also be documented here. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 03:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I can help with the Forestry Guide, and I guess Buildcraft and Factorisation, although the BC stuff is horribly outdated which makes life annoying. With everything else I have only played Logi pipes on 1.2.5 and a little on 1.4.7 so I can't help especially.
 * I was a little surprised there was no new IC2/GT6 stuff, but it is /r/feedthebeast, which isn't typically fans of either.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 15:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yo PaladinOne: I'll be making the PA and TD tilesheets once vacation is over (I have my laptop with me, but it's old and can't use Java 7-8, so I imagine Rust will not work). Unless of course Retep beats me to it (and unless XyCraft is released for 1.7) -Xbony2 (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. May be broken though, I haven't looked yet :P -Xbony2 (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Small Tilesheet guide
Hello ! Can any of you write a few words about how to win the graphics for tilesheets please ?! The know the structure, the sizes (32px, 16px) and the construction of tilesheets. But I wonder where you have the graphics ago. I have try it with screenshots and the textures from the package, but somehow it looks not so like your tilesheets. I use Gimp as graphic program. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The way we typically do it nowadays is using the NEI mod. To get the tiles you simply filter the NEI panel to show the items from the mod by double clicking the modname in the top dropdown box; and then you goto the NEI settings button down the bottom right, then goto "Dumps" and then output the images as a 64x .png. From there retep's tilesheet program automatically downscales the images to 16x and 32x for uploading. -- Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  22:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks ! I will try it in the next days. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Works perfect with NEI :) ! Thanks to Wolfman_123_ for the manual, and Retep for the incorporation into the Image uploading guideline. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Moving wiki-specific pages from mainspace
Specifically Sandbox and FTB Wiki Staff, if not more. The main namespace is for articles about FTB; wiki-specific pages should be stated separately, in Feed The Beast Wiki namespace. I don't know why are they misplaced.

For the staff page specifically, we have to make a new name to be used after the colon, the namespace name separator. I would go for "Wiki Staff", or just "Staff", so the whole name would be like "Feed The Beast Wiki:Wiki Staff".

Of course, we should keep the redirects.

&mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator  12:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I think FTB Wiki Staff is ok, but Sandbox definitely should be moved. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No it's not. &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 06:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I consider it to be a main page of sorts, like the actual main page. The way I see it, it's sort of a credits page (although that isn't entirely accurate, there are many non-staff contributors). -Xbony2 (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki about FTB, not about itself. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 13:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, Nick. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 13:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We need more users... to support and to oppose. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 14:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * General MediaWiki guidelines specify both of these should really be in project namespace, I will probably patrol through a bunch of other common titles that will go into the project NS, and deal with when and where applicable. Either way, this is common practice and in my opinion, shouldn't really need a discussion. Cblair91 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

So? &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 11:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

2nd archive
Our noticeboard archive is getting way too cluttered. I propose we create a second one. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose we archive the archive.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 00:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose archiving by year. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 19:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if you're unlazy enough to cut it into different pieces :P -Xbony2 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose by getting on a knee, offering a ring, and asking to marry, as well as by agreeing with Retep. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I quite like the idea of archiving the archive like so: Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/Archive/Archive :P
 * But in all seriousness retep's suggestion is probably the best to sort it out by year which shouldn't be particularly hard assuming all posts are signed -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  07:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I support the idea of yearly or even half-yearly archivation, although if there are not much topics it may be better to archive topics of multiple years (or halves). And, really, we need to sort the archive from oldest to newest. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 14:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What do we do about discussions that take place over multiple years, eg starting in december and ending in january? Do we use the start year or the end year? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Both :P  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I say just the start. -Xbony2 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Archived things will be sorted by the date the discussion began. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 01:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Auto-generated Mods List
See Template talk:Mods. I'm not sure what we would do about translating mod names... maybe it could automatically grab the mod article's title? That could work. -Xbony2 (talk) 13:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Using magical powers to summon and  ... I bet you've seen this already, but neither of you have responded to it. And you guys are the only ones who can edit the main page anyway (going to bother  too cause why not). -Xbony2 (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've already seen this. I'll look into it soon. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 22:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have absolutely no idea how to do this. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 23:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Choco does :P

-Xbony2 (talk) 23:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Template:Gc changes?
Following changes are being done by the bot, and should be seen as "common practice": Will probably make some other changes along the line as well, to help make everything standardized :D Cblair91 (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * is now removed, never use dis.
 * is now.
 * with a blank param, or  should be removed.
 * should also be deleted, if you haven't done that. Btw, you forgot to update the issue number :P -Xbony2 (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * We're not Minecraft Wiki-ing putting redirects left, right and centre right? Because that's a shit method instead of doing it properly with link.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 17:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Well something I thought that may seem to be better is, all items be page named as "Item (Mod)", rather than "Item" page... That way, the main "Item" page can be a redirect/disambig as required? Though getting other staff's views may be better for that. Also on a note for Choco: It's better to have redirects than to /not/ have redirects. ^_^ There's not an issue with HAVING a redirect, even if it's never used, rather than NOT having a redirect, and it wanting to be used. Cblair91 (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Making redirects back to a disambig page though? I deleted 12 of those, and that was just the IC2 ones I noticed.


 * Yup, that was a mess-up xD But hence why I brought to question, wouldn't it be better to use "Item (Mod)" page naming, that way it'll work out cleaner for redirects (and mean a lot less?), and for disambiguation pages :D Cblair91 (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've played with that idea before, but it would take a long time to change everything, even with bots. -Xbony2 (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You're ignoring the fact suddenly everything needing a redirect is inverted and pretty much every page is broken. You'd pulverise the wiki for days (at least) with the amount of bot activity needed to fix everything.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 21:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay Choco, imagine we do change over to "Item (Mod)"... My bot can rename the pages, my bot can fix up all links on other pages, it can make the process completely smooth. Sure, it'll take around 2 days to run through the 7k+ content pages, but surely it'd be better to have a proper standard? Something structured, which we don't have to do little fixes here and there in the modules/template to accommodate. Would you not say that is better? The cases where it would go through, I can program the bot to be so efficient and effective that it would make all the transition work, not break, and on top of that, not "derp up the wiki". Cblair91 (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I'd prefer if everything was "Item (Mod)" and then then "Item" was either a redirect or a disambig. Of course care would need to be taken with regards to moving translated pages. If your bot tries to move a translated page and screws it up, there will be hell to pay. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 06:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's about the only exception, it can't handle moving translation pages via API. So they'll have to be done manually :P BUT means we can fix the translation markups on a LOT of pages before we move them :D Cblair91 (talk) 07:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * , are you okay with moving all the translated pages yourself? 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 09:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll be assisting him with all the translation page moving, and probably overseeing the project, making sure it runs smooth etc. So will be doing a bulk of work myself :) Cblair91 (talk) 11:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

But a perm ban if you don't use a bot account to do it ok?  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 18:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Any bulk changes will be VIA bot, but some stuff where I'm fixing pages while I'm going won't be bot accounted (e.g. when I'm cleaning up the G template on the page before moving) Cblair91 (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

This will also require a brief re-examination of NI and NID. As disambiguation would be the new default, for sanity NI would need to be modified to default to disambiguated links (and thus NID would become obsolete). - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 07:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Votes
Votes regarding the overhaul of   to  , and of the page naming standards to "Item (Mod)".
 * There must be at least 5 accepting votes for this to pass (as majority based vote from staff)


 * Yup Cblair91 (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * - This is xbony and Cblair point waring. On a less stop spamming the recent changes point, the current system is fine and makes linking much more obvious than every normal item page being a disambig page to the one mod that has that item. Everything is wired to use it and will inevitably go wrong, causing the entire wiki to be broken for weeks (if not months) as bugs are discovered, and there has been little planning past "oh sure we'll do it", despite the great risk of crashing everything when you press the wrong button. Also, Retep will do silly things he'd most likely regret after you guys fuck up an already overworked FuzzyBot and splatter translated pages everywhere. Silly things like this .  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 20:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That thing with the sex toys was totally an accident, I swear. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 23:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fuzzybot will talked to with devs, to make sure that it has a higher time rating (aka moves more pages per hour than normal). Also regarding the changes, we're not planning on doing it "right this moment", yes it will require planning, that will be discussed at the staff meeting. All the systems will be fixed to support both while under transition, and then changed to support the new system when done. Cblair91 (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note 2: If there is only one item with the item name, that page would be a REDIRECT to the "Item (Mod)" page, where in cases a second one comes, it's easy swap to a disambig, no page moving needed, no link updating needed. That's the point, before it would link to said page, but when that becomes a disambig, EVERY link to that page, then needs to update to the "Item (Mod)" page anyway? So surely doing this by default, would mean we DON'T have to update every link occurrence? Cblair91 (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the Recent Changes, but it's not really not that bad. Some/many things may be broken and will take a while to repair, but I do believe it will be worth it in the end. FuzzyBot will very likely be fine, the week-long translation period he did before seems to be over, he finished updating Staff in about 10-20 minutes which is pretty damn good. -Xbony2 (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't want to push forward with this yet. I'd prefer to hold off until I feel more ready. To clarify, I am in favor of using Item (Mod) for all pages and having Item be either a redirect or disambig, however I am not comfortable with doing those mass edits at the moment. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 23:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by that? -Xbony2 (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I wanna write a cool program to gather various statistics on the overall network of pages and links including redirects and such, in Rust of course. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 23:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Rust scrub :P Don't stall it though, mkay? You aren't really known for getting things done :P -Xbony2 (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * per Chocohead. I don't see the point of this mostly unneeded and dangerous operation. Or I might not be that familiar with this system... &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 06:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Lets put it this way: Item released, we make page "Item", create all Gc templates to it. Another item released with same name. We move the original "Item" page over to "Item (Mod)", same with the new item. We have to go back and update all Gc occurrences to the new page, rather than the disambig. New system: That's already in place, we don't have to update ANY Gc occurrences. Cblair91 (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can we just update Gc's with bots instead? We have 7 bots that can work concurrently. &mdash;  NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 05:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Part of Gc has already been edited with bots (the removal of the 'dis' parameter and 'link=false' to 'link=none'). Fixing G is a bit more difficult for bots to automate though, since it needs to come up with a mod parameter to convert it into Gc (very few G uses have supplied mod parameters). -Xbony2 (talk) 11:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * why has dis been removed? Thats utterly stupid since many, many pages depend heavily on that parameter. Unless someone took yhe time to run a bot to fix all used of it (i don't remember this happening), there are now probably millions of redlinks all over the wiki. This should not have been done without discussing it with the rest of the staff first, and taking the proper procedures before changing it. You cant just willy nilly remove parameters and templates because you personally want a specific change done to how we do things. (Not specifically directed at you xbony btw) --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 18:24, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Meet the million relink bot: http://ftb.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cblair91Bot&offset=20150714014839&limit=250&target=Cblair91Bot
 * Each one of those changes removes dis without replacing it with link.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 20:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Jesus fucking Christ. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I count about 1500 page removals, which bearing in mind a crafting grid could have up to 10 in... There will be a very high potential for over 10,000 broken Gc links at this point. It's like G? but 10x worse if we don't revert them immediately and patch the differences for pages that have changed since it.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I could easily write a script for my bot to go through all those edits and roll them back. However, it would not be able to handle pages that have changed since the bot did its shit. That would need to be checked and done manually. Should I do this, for the time being while this whole situation is dealt with properly? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 08:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I say yes. The longer we leave it the more pages are modified and will have to be fixed manually.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 09:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * pretty much covered it. My main issue with it is its pointlessness. I'm also leaning towards Neutral for the same reason as Peter, but I still oppose. Idk I'm stoned. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 08:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * From a structural standpoint, this actually makes sense. As the number of pages, mods, and items covered increases, we're going to be crashing into more and more disambiguation issues. This being said, it is really annoying that disambiguated page links are twice as long as normal page links. To that end I propose a new mini-template (that I was probably going to make one of these days anyway) that accepts a page link and a mod name/mod ID and places a disambiguated page link that is both shorter to code and easier to read when editing, compared with the standard link . Will this be annoying to go through with? Probably. In lots of places and ways. But as Nick points out, probably without fully knowing what he is invoking but also probably correctly, we have the power of automation. Mass automation. We can rebuild the Gcs, we have the technology. The thing is though, as Chocohead points out, we need to do a little more than simply say "do it". If we attack this the way we attacked G? six months ago, it would go much better than if we attack it the way we have attacked the list of suggestions I collected from /r/feedthebeast 3 months ago. Also if nothing else this might be a way of making Peter do something. (If we get too held up on that though... someone may decide to invoke .) - PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 07:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Vote changed from Support to Neutral following the overly BOLD removal of the dis= parameter. That parameter is removable, but it is NOT safe to delete from the entire wiki until AFTER the entire re-linking has been completed. Removal of dis= should be literally the second-to-last step of this process, because even while dis=false is present, the Gcs would link to non-disambiguated pages, which is at least a pointer in the right direction (and, if the original "leave redirects behind" plan was kept, would be still leaving good functional links). As it is, deleting dis= first creates a pointless linking disaster. - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 02:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have to admit that I'm seriously out of the loop on this issue due to a lot of things like final exams period and holidays. I'm not quite sure what recent changes drama has gone on; so would someone be able to briefly describe the problem (assuming there is one with the current system) and what your actually proposing to do. -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  01:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's no problem, just Cblair and xbony want more wiki points. Cblair also took it upon herself to break Gc by removing  without fixing the links with  . They want to change it so every page has "Name (Mod)" but have totally overlooked everything that doesn't expect that to happen and was never designed for it (the bee and tree stuff for example, but pretty much every template would be affected).  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 01:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ^ Oh, and regarding the Recent Changes stuff, xbony and Cblair like using their normal accounts as bots, hence the masses of spam.
 * Speaking of which. Both of you need to knock it off. Seriously. You have bots for a reason. Use them. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 08:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)