Feed The Beast Wiki:Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/2015

FlaggedRevs Temp Workaround
As you all should be aware by now, FlaggedRevs is causing a large amount of issues with regards to not being able to review pages in the Module namespace. This in turn causes non-logged in users to see script errors on all articles; essentially making the site unusable. Although we are trying our best to fix this issue, we have yet to find a solution.

This brings me to my crude idea of a hot-fix which involves allowing anonymous users see the latest version of all pages rather than just the latest reviewed edit (stable page). This is by no means a permanent fix; rather a temporary fix, as this means that any vandalism or spam on the wiki will be visible to all readers until removed by an editor. I realise this is a big task, as we will be required to step up our game in regards to removing such content from the wiki; however with the fairly-well reliable PonyButt IRC log and with editors across several timezones all with incredibly weird sleeping patterns (as Paladin so kindly put it), we should be able to keep up. -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * As a result of actions by, , and , as of 6 hours ago (and as noted at the end of the Discussion section), FlaggedRevs is no longer active on this wiki. Script Errors should no longer be present on articles as a result of it. PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * Cast a vote here if you support allowing anonymous users to see latest revisions by default. If you want the message to be removed under certain conditions, cast your vote in the "Conditional support" section below.
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 * 1)  I honestly believe that it is better for readers of the wiki to potentially see a small amount of vandalism rather than not be able to use it entirely. I also believe we shouldn't be forcing users to create an account simply for the purposes of reading an article. -- Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  Yohoho and a bottle of rum 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 05:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  We can rebuild it. We have the technology. -  PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 06:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 4)  It would be a good idea to protect certain pages, like popular mod pages and guides. Xbony2 (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 5)  Ayyyyyyeeeeeee --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 00:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Oppose

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 * 1)  I don't see a point in bypassing FlaggedRevs but still having it. Either we ignore the problem and get one of the Curse guys to fix FlaggedRevs, or we just remove it. What use is it if you're already seeing the "unstable" version of the page over just seeing the page. We don't get enough spam for it even to make sense really.  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 19:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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Removal of Flagged Revisions extension
I received an email from Cblair91 saying you want this extension removed. Can you confirm ? — Game widow (talk) 16:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can confirm🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 18:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. I've removed it — Game widow (talk) 20:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Script error
If I'm not logged in, then I have script errors on the items in many crafting grids and infobox icons, for example on the Insulated Wire article. The Error message is: Lua error in Module:Language at line 25: attempt to index local 'args' (a nil value).

Backtrace: 1. (tail call): ? 2. Module:Language:25: in function "link" 3. Module:Grid:44: in function "chunk" 4. mw.lua:567: ? 5. (tail call): ? 6. [C]: in function "xpcall" 7. MWServer.lua:87: in function "handleCall" 8. MWServer.lua:301: in function "dispatch" 9. MWServer.lua:40: in function "execute" 10. mw_main.lua:7: in main chunk 11. [C]: ? If I'm logged in, does the presentation. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Modules cannot be reviewed, so when you are not logged in you always view the stable version of a page, which means the Modules are not up to date and therefore are broken. Either the FlaggedRevs extension would have to be fixed so Modules can be reviewed properly, or it would have to be removed. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 07:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the hint. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

G? Phasing Out
The move from the old grid style to the new (and current) tilesheet system was a great thing, but in order to keep backwards-compatibility, G? was made to convert anything like |ore=Iron Ore into  . The move was a really long time ago, and G itself really is inferior to Gc or O, meaning we're looking to phase out using G?, and try and avoid using G when you can achieve the same thing more efficiently using Gc or O and |link= and more importantly |mod=. With mods ever overlapping of names, it makes pages look much nicer if the grid icons work when the wiki knows which tilesheet to get the image from (which with G, it doesn't and can only guess, meaning it fails when there's overlapping of names). This is still in an early phase, so information may and probably will change from this.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 21:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Articles dependent on G?, there are slightly more pages than we expected. A few thousand more. Don't worry though, there's a doom counter to know what percent of the wiki currently needs fixing before G? can be deleted safely (ignoring template modifications to stop using it): And in case you need a more visual representation:  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

scrub -- Wolfman_123_ Wiki Staff ·&#32;(Talk) 10:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yours doesn't have a purge button :P  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 13:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Staff nomination
is active on the wiki and IRC, committed to contributing, follows the ACG and MOS better than I did when I was first nominated, and is a babe. For these reasons, he is nominated to be a member of the FTB Wiki Staff. Please vote y'all. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Polls
Voting ends in 7 days on January 11 2015. Voting has ended and will become staff.

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 * 1)  ― Meh ― 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 02:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  – I second 's statement --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  ― I believe  should be promoted as he has proven to be very eager to help where possible and he has shown that he is not afraid to ask for help or instruction to further improve his edits and general knowledge. This support is conditional however as I still believe he needs to get a proper irc client. ―  Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉  F T B  Wiki Staff  03:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) * Kek. still uses webchat like a scrub. --  Satanic  Santa F T B Wiki Admin 03:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * 1)  - His edits are good, and he's been fixing the whole G? thing, and I can't be bothered to accept all the changes :P But I don't think he needs to get a proper IRC client. :P  Chocohead  Nag • Edits • Staff 16:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Tooltip formatting
Because I am feeling so generous I have provided another alias to Tooltip color in the form of §. In addition it now supports more Minecraft formatting codes such as      and   for extra formatting goodness. For some reason using  in crafting grid tooltips appears to break things so using   works perfectly. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 04:33, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks to we now have an even fancier template TTF which parses   formatting codes inline in the text and inserts the appropriate markup. 🐇 R e t e p  9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 22:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Overhaul RI Template
As good as RI is, it is still at heart a Gc, but meaning many parameters that Gc has aren't being used, but are still slowing the wiki having to check them. User:Chocohead/Sandbox/Template:RI fixes this, by stripping it out so it only uses what it uses from the Gc template. There are two different versions depending on how invalid mod abbreviations are entered, the documentation on the template page explains that difference. IMO, this'll make a good template better (by making it more efficient and neat).  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Problem with the translation interface
Hmm ... Sorry but I have the next problem :/ ! The display of the translation interface is incorrect. The width is not fully utilized and the list is partially hidden by the Curse footer. --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We're aware of this issue, and it's reported to devs. Cblair91 (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK thx ! --LuminousLizard de-native / "en-B2" (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I will however be issuing a local temporary fix later today to resolve this issue (hopefully) Cblair91 (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been fixed in our local CSS. If you're still having issues, try clearing your cache. Cblair91 (talk) 10:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Abuse filter problems
When editing this wiki, the abuse filter sometimes doesn’t let you to save the edit. The shown rule says: “Global AF - New spam filter”. —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  16:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. Cblair91 (talk) 05:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:X4
It would be cool if someone helped me with Template:X4, particularly with liquid handling. It's kind of broken, as seen here. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * What's it meant to look like?  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The liquid starts a little too high, and it is somewhat shorter than the liquid box. —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  16:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I dun gone fixed the liquids <3 Cblair91 (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed fixing. Off-topic:, can you mark Centrifuge (GregTech) and Flaxbeard's Steam Power for translation please? —  NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  18:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Image needs updating, but meh, it works <3, also done nick. Cblair91 (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Cg/Alchemic Chemistry Set
Could we get this added please, since I want to start overhauling a lot of blood magic stuff :3 Muchos gracias. Cblair91 (talk) 05:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with Blood Magic, but I think that it may be a good idea. And, muchas gracias — NickTheRed37  ᐸ t · ru.MCW user c · ru translator  05:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I might look into it if Retep doesn't do it. -Xbony2 (talk) 12:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Cg/Alchemic Chemistry Set - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Bee and Tree Note
Any bees in Extra Bees or Magic Bees must be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to a bug in NEI, and not me. Combs added by either mod should still reference their respective mod's tilesheet however.

Tree Saplings added by Extra Trees also need to be referenced to the Forestry tilesheet, due to the same bug. The wood planks and other products (like fences or doors) however should still use the Extra Trees tilesheet.

Bug me if you have any questions.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 01:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just separate them manually? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 02:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Later, this was only meant to be a temporary solution until I know an update to the tilesheets would come quickly after me doing it.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 02:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking at this further, many of the tree/bee templates need all the bees/saplings in one place, otherwise there'd be a massive and horribly complicated mess trying to work out which tilesheet to call the sapling from. Just having everything on F makes life much much easier.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Just an update. It's not an nei issue/bug. Extra Bees and Magic Bees hook into Forestry's API, and add the bee's VIA that mod. It's the only way to handle the injecting of bees for forestry to allow them to work (for machines/breeding logic etc.). As such, when rendered, they're processed as being "added" by Forestry (since Forestry handles the ASM magical powder stuff), thus appears under that mod =] Cblair91 (talk) 05:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Good, then I'll not bother trying to separate them.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 15:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

xbony2 for translation admin
I nominate to be a translation admin. He'll be responsible for marking all the pages for translation and making sure all the translations are done correctly.

Vote pls.

Voting has finished as of right now. is now a translation admin. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 00:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 00:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * he sounds like a nice guy. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * za? why are bunnies swearing at me? PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 01:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * say no more fam. Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * On a side note doesn't this require an actual group to be made; I could have sworn only sysops had that right. Wolfman_123_  ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  02:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * hat u bony --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 07:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Call da pl01ce. Cblair91 (talk) 10:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

 * . For me it's weird when someone who is neither an admin nor a translator becomes a translation admin. P. S. On the same note, maybe should I also become a translation admin? &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator  06:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Xbony2 has been adding translation markup to a significant number of pages and cleaning out incorrect translations already, so this is just rewarding his hard work with the responsibility to keep doing that hard work into perpetuity. If it turns out that one translation admin isn't enough to keep up with the demand of marking pages for translation, and another person happens to be doing a good job adding translation markup to lots of pages, then perhaps we can consider having another translation admin, but that's in the distant future. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 08:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We have many users across all time zones, with incredibly weird sleeping patterns. And I think it will be good to have all translation admins also cover all of them. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator  09:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I love how that line has become immortalized. PaladinAHOne  Staff (talk) 00:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Language bar
I think that the bar should reside above the categories, since it is a displayable thing. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • Russian Translator </b> 06:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And I think we should stick with the current standard of putting at the very bottom since that is what all the pages on the wiki currently do and there's no advantage to changing the position, and it would just cause a lot of churn from having a mass edit to every single article. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 08:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We have enough amount of robotics to do that. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 09:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * *cough*... HERRO?.... but either way, the standard on mediawiki and wikipedia is category, then translate. So best to fit the guidelines of a better setupdebatable place? Cblair91 (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Retired Template
I made a template, Template:User Retired for wiki members that have left. I'd like everyone to poke at it before I put it on any pages. -Xbony2 (talk) 17:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks useful, although it will get hectic to mark all inactives with that template. Having another ambox for semi-actives may also make sense. —  NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 18:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably just the bigger ones, like Jinbobo and Jaded. I was going to make a semi-active/sporadic banner, but I wasn't sure how to word it. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

OreDict Addition Requests for Steamcraft2
http://pastebin.com/0fuzfjfG - warlordjones (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In progress... &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 14:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, although there is no item tilesheet for SC2. &mdash; NickTheRed37  t/c • <small style=vertical-align:0.08em>Russian Translator </b> 14:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That's Retep's fault ^  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 14:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

2nd archive
Our noticeboard archive is getting way too cluttered. I propose we create a second one. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose we archive the archive.  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 00:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose archiving by year. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 19:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if you're unlazy enough to cut it into different pieces :P -Xbony2 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I propose by getting on a knee, offering a ring, and asking to marry, as well as by agreeing with Retep. --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 01:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I quite like the idea of archiving the archive like so: Staff's Noticeboard/Archive/Archive/Archive :P
 * But in all seriousness retep's suggestion is probably the best to sort it out by year which shouldn't be particularly hard assuming all posts are signed -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  07:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I support the idea of yearly or even half-yearly archivation, although if there are not much topics it may be better to archive topics of multiple years (or halves). And, really, we need to sort the archive from oldest to newest. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 14:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What do we do about discussions that take place over multiple years, eg starting in december and ending in january? Do we use the start year or the end year? --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 16:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Both :P  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 16:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I say just the start. -Xbony2 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Archived things will be sorted by the date the discussion began. 🐇 R e t e p 9 9 8 🐇🐰 Bunny Overlord 🐰 01:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I created an archive for each year, with the date the discussion began, since it was much easier to organize it that way. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Cg/Petal Apothecary and Cg/Mana Infusion conversion
See. I'm just putting it here so it can be noticed instead of hidden away. -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 14:20, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * list cleared - PaladinAHOne Staff (talk) 05:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Minor change in disambiguation page layout
I made a minor experiment. In my opinion, it looks much better when the Disambiguation template is at the top of the article, rather than the bottom. What do y'all think? Should we change the layout so that the template goes at the top, or keep it at the bottom? If we choose to change it, I could very easily write a script to automatically change it, and utilize our new MediaWiki::Butt RubyGem! Please have an informal vote because I don't feel like setting that shit up right now (though if someone else wants to I would not object). --  Satanic Santa F T B Wiki Admin 18:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (too distracting) -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You want the links first as that's what you're actually trying to get to. After all, we don't have disambig pages as long as your big test page one. If you do want something useful botwise to do, could you convert Copper Cable -> Insulated Copper Cable and Uninsulated Copper Cable -> Copper Cable?  Chocohead Nag • Edits • Staff 22:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As if that would be fixed :P -Xbony2, Master of Feed The Beast Wiki (talk) 22:43, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep it how it is; you want the content/links to be first and not cluttered down the page. -- Wolfman_123_ ·&#32;✉ F T B  Wiki Staff  00:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * per others. Also, the disambiguation notice looks better at the bottom. —   NickTheRed37 t/c • F T B &ensp;Wiki Translator 15:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)